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Reboot or Rerun?
« on: May 19, 2009, 08:41:55 PM »
Apologies if there is another thread already devoted to this idea, but:

I've been thinking a lot since the finale... if the flash at the end actually represented the bomb going off (as I believe it did), and if the bomb hasn't *always* gone off (i.e. the bomb detonating was indeed a change), then... what?  What will change?

I don't think it can be as simple as Jack seemingly believes -- that "none of this ever happened".  It can't be a clean "Reset" button, where all our characters simply revert to landing in L.A. with no memory of anything that happened in the last 5 seasons of the TV show.  How lame would that be?

So on this topic, I just watched another Abrams/Lindelhof show that premiered recently--namely the new "Star Trek" movie.  As many of you no doubt already know, the plot of that movie also hinges on time travel--specifically, that movie fully embraces the mind-bending idea that "what happened, DIDN'T necessarily happen."  Maybe that's a red herring for Lost, or maybe (as others have speculated) it's telling.  What do you all think?

Read the next paragraph only if you're not concerned about star trek spoilers...
I'm wondering if--along the lines of the latest Star Trek plot--those who have died in 1977 will still be dead, but those who are still alive will flash back to the present, retaining all the memories from seasons 1-5, but will find that they are now living alongside versions of themselves who have had significantly different pasts.  (A la Spock in the movie.)  I think there would be some potential for interesting storytelling there.  Anyone agree?
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Re: Reboot or Rerun?
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2009, 04:51:04 AM »
the incident was always caused by the losties in 1977 ..its a crazy loop  they detonated a bomb thinking they will erase everything that has happened hence causing the incident but the catch is since thay caused it Dr.chang  had to build the hatch to contain the energy and hence the pc with 108 min entry ,which desmond will one day not enter hence causing the plane crash ...the only chance could be to assume desmond didnt make it to the island and hence not causing the crash ..and all of them wake  up in L.A. saying they all had the same crazy dream which seemed so real ..have'nt see star trek yet but its a possibility that they will flash to 2007 and find themselves with everyone else at the foot of the statue ...i am thinking that maybe if they do succeed in changing some events after the flash maybe it will be partiallly not everything ...becoz it seems jacob picked few canditates to do something important

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Re: Reboot or Rerun?
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2009, 08:42:21 AM »
1977 hatch site is in a ditch during construction. 2007 hatch site is a crater from the implosion. I think they caused the incident but will be blown back to 2007 safely in the crater (except for Juliet who will be encased in concrete) just when Jacob needs them most. They will bring everything they are touching just like the flashes.

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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2009, 12:04:56 PM »
I highly doubt they would use the other Media. I mean I'm sure it's possible, but if they are going to start tying LOST into the other projects that Abrahms has going on, I might just stop watching because that's way too much sensationalism, and commercialism, and quite frankly, too time consuming. I don't even want to see "Generic Space movie #152,485,896" A.K.A. Star Trek, but if they are saying that for some reason I have to in order to understand LOST better, it's just not worth it.

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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2009, 12:40:06 PM »
They are not the same type of time travel. In Star Trek they clearly state there is an alternate timeline happening and whatever happens from here on can be rewritten. Spock comes from a different future, one where Kirk's father was alive during his childhood. This is not the type of time travel happening on Lost. They've stated it is a whatever happened happened type of travel and you can't change the past. But the variables thing is rather interesting. Maybe they don't need to change the past. Maybe they were sent back for the sole purpose of setting off the bomb. And I do think it is possible for them to wake up in 2007 again after that though. Kind of like Desmond waking up in jungle naked after turning the failsafe.

I highly doubt they would use the other Media. I mean I'm sure it's possible, but if they are going to start tying LOST into the other projects that Abrahms has going on, I might just stop watching because that's way too much sensationalism, and commercialism, and quite frankly, too time consuming. I don't even want to see "Generic Space movie #152,485,896" A.K.A. Star Trek, but if they are saying that for some reason I have to in order to understand LOST better, it's just not worth it.
I would recommend it though Bob, its great.

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Re: Reboot or Rerun?
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2009, 12:48:58 PM »
I highly doubt they would use the other Media. I mean I'm sure it's possible, but if they are going to start tying LOST into the other projects that Abrahms has going on, I might just stop watching because that's way too much sensationalism, and commercialism, and quite frankly, too time consuming. I don't even want to see "Generic Space movie #152,485,896" A.K.A. Star Trek, but if they are saying that for some reason I have to in order to understand LOST better, it's just not worth it.

I concur, wholeheartedly...

A cross pollination like Belzer hopping from Homicide to L & O was kinda cool, but requiring one to watch another network or movie would tantamount to slapping Fonzie's Leather on Sawyer and asking him to "Please put on these water skis and let Jack drive you to that ramp out there beyond the reef and your gonna....."
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Re: Reboot or Rerun?
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2009, 03:30:39 PM »
the incident was always caused by the losties in 1977 ..its a crazy loop  they detonated a bomb thinking they will erase everything that has happened hence causing the incident but the catch is since thay caused it Dr.chang  had to build the hatch to contain the energy and hence the pc with 108 min entry ,which desmond will one day not enter hence causing the plane crash ...the only chance could be to assume desmond didnt make it to the island and hence not causing the crash ..and all of them wake  up in L.A. saying they all had the same crazy dream which seemed so real ..have'nt see star trek yet but its a possibility that they will flash to 2007 and find themselves with everyone else at the foot of the statue ...i am thinking that maybe if they do succeed in changing some events after the flash maybe it will be partiallly not everything ...becoz it seems jacob picked few canditates to do something important
I think all the LOSTIES in 1977 get sent back to 2007 after the bomb explodes. Their purpose is to fight the battle of Armageden against fake Locke, that is their destiny, to save mankind.

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Re: Reboot or Rerun?
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2009, 07:47:36 AM »
I highly doubt they would use the other Media. I mean I'm sure it's possible, but if they are going to start tying LOST into the other projects that Abrahms has going on, I might just stop watching because that's way too much sensationalism, and commercialism, and quite frankly, too time consuming. I don't even want to see "Generic Space movie #152,485,896" A.K.A. Star Trek, but if they are saying that for some reason I have to in order to understand LOST better, it's just not worth it.
That's funny, I feel the same way about the Podcasts, books and games based on Lost. All I do is watch it on TV and come here to post theories about what happened or will happen. I am either too lazy or not that consumed by lost to seek out other mediums.

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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2009, 09:20:09 AM »
That's funny, I feel the same way about the Podcasts, books and games based on Lost. All I do is watch it on TV and come here to post theories about what happened or will happen. I am either too lazy or not that consumed by lost to seek out other mediums.

Know what you mean. That is why they came up with that whole is it "canon" or not...and oh yes the new one I read the other day "Semi-Canon"...? What the heck is that supposed to mean?
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Re: Reboot or Rerun?
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2009, 11:50:49 AM »
I only got thru a couple of posts here before realizing YOU SPOILED THE MOVIE FOR ME!!!!!

Not all of have seen the new star trek yet... if you want to discuss it fine, but WARN us and then preferably put the info into small print. Sheesh. >:(

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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2009, 11:57:00 AM »
I highly doubt they would use the other Media. I mean I'm sure it's possible, but if they are going to start tying LOST into the other projects that Abrahms has going on, I might just stop watching because that's way too much sensationalism, and commercialism, and quite frankly, too time consuming. I don't even want to see "Generic Space movie #152,485,896" A.K.A. Star Trek, but if they are saying that for some reason I have to in order to understand LOST better, it's just not worth it.
That's funny, I feel the same way about the Podcasts, books and games based on Lost. All I do is watch it on TV and come here to post theories about what happened or will happen. I am either too lazy or not that consumed by lost to seek out other mediums.

I played the game, but only because all my friends were saying it was good, not expecting it to relate to the show, and guess what, it didn't. LOL the only thing that even sort of related was the end of the game where after you do all the stuff in the game, your character wakes up and you're at the begining, and the girl that was dead the whole game is alive. So it's weird that it sort of applies, but not really.

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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2009, 12:11:26 PM »
I only got thru a couple of posts here before realizing YOU SPOILED THE MOVIE FOR ME!!!!!

Not all of have seen the new star trek yet... if you want to discuss it fine, but WARN us and then preferably put the info into small print. Sheesh. >:(
Oh geez, I'm so sorry  :( I thought it was common knowledge that there was time travel in the movie. I knew it going in so maybe I spoiled it for myself as well. Anyways, I sincerily appologize if I spoiled.

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Re: Reboot or Rerun?
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2009, 12:51:21 PM »
I only got thru a couple of posts here before realizing YOU SPOILED THE MOVIE FOR ME!!!!!

Not all of have seen the new star trek yet... if you want to discuss it fine, but WARN us and then preferably put the info into small print. Sheesh. >:(
Oh geez, I'm so sorry  :( I thought it was common knowledge that there was time travel in the movie. I knew it going in so maybe I spoiled it for myself as well. Anyways, I sincerily appologize if I spoiled.

well, Griz, I don't even know what you said because I stopped reading after Norville's first post. I didn't actually know there was time travel, but to hear that, it's pretty general so it doesn't bother me. To hear that Spock will be living alongside another version of himself?? That's a complete spoiler, IMO. I skimmed a few other posts and saw it was still being referenced and that's when I decided to make my statement. lol. 

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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2009, 12:59:50 PM »
I only got thru a couple of posts here before realizing YOU SPOILED THE MOVIE FOR ME!!!!!

Not all of have seen the new star trek yet... if you want to discuss it fine, but WARN us and then preferably put the info into small print. Sheesh. >:(
Oh geez, I'm so sorry  :( I thought it was common knowledge that there was time travel in the movie. I knew it going in so maybe I spoiled it for myself as well. Anyways, I sincerily appologize if I spoiled.

well, Griz, I don't even know what you said because I stopped reading after Norville's first post. I didn't actually know there was time travel, but to hear that, it's pretty general so it doesn't bother me. To hear that Spock will be living alongside another version of himself?? That's a complete spoiler, IMO. I skimmed a few other posts and saw it was still being referenced and that's when I decided to make my statement. lol. 
I hear ya. I promise you'll still thoroughly enjoy it though  ;D

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Re: Reboot or Rerun?
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2009, 04:28:35 PM »
I think the entire time travel element in LOST is simply another "test" from the island. Time travel gave everyone a chance to "fix" things from their past. Some chose not to (all the 815ers in Dharmaville...let's face it, they could have hopped on the sub at any time) and some wanted to reboot (Jack, Faraday etc.) Their choices will play a big role in season 6. Key line to my theory? When Locke says "I needed this pain to get me where I am today." I think that sums up the time travel element. The island was testing people to see if they had truly "fixed" the issues many of them had when they first arrived. It's all about "progress." Some are moving quicker (Sawyer, Rose and Bernard) than others (Jack and Kate.) The introduction of Jacob clearly showed us that the sci-fi/time travel aspect of the show was not going to be the final path taken.

That's what I think anyway...