Is Locke, Locke?

[frasier9]

Well I guess now we understand everyones complete surprise at the Island ability to revive the dead... because it can't.  what's interesting though is that the "fake" Locke was asking Ben questions relating to experiences that the real Locke had.  One the way to Jacob, Locke asked Ben for clarification as to what happened when they tried visitng Jacob in the cabin.  Now that cabin visit was before Locke died and therefore we assume it was the real Locke.  How would Jacob's old friend who is impersonating Locke know the details of that experience?  Was locke possessed by this guy when he had his "awakening" interaction with Smokey?  Is that why Locke had to die in order to free the imposter?

[mrose4243]

I think it was not Jacob in the cabin at all, but Jacob's nemesis.  That's how he knew about the cabin encounter.

[Laklost]

Oh ho ho!  Ye of little faith.  There's life all over that island.  Just because Man# 2/Esau hijacked Locke doesn't mean that there isn't real life on board that island.  If you have nothing else to refer to, refer to Richard. 

[frasier9]

there are other experinces besides the cabin that this "fake"  locke knows about.  as soon as Ben woke up they discussed how Ben killed him which would have only been known to the real Locke...  the real and fake lock are somehow connected unless Locke was taken over a lot earlier than we think.  Maybe even as soon as Jacob touched his sholder after he broke his back....

[rhythm]

I think it was not Jacob in the cabin at all, but Jacob's nemesis.  That's how he knew about the cabin encounter.

I agree.  AJ knew about the incident because he was in the cabin when they came to visit.  And it was him that asked Locke for help.

[§møĐēąη]

Oh ho ho!  Ye of little faith.  There's life all over that island.  Just because Man# 2/Esau hijacked Locke doesn't mean that there isn't real life on board that island.  If you have nothing else to refer to, refer to Richard. 

Don't forget the whispers...

[BobBX542]

Well, I'm in the camp that thinks that Man 2 is actually Smokey, and can shape shift into other people. And since we know that Smokey can also "scan you" and find out your personal info, he probably just "sucked" all the info out of Locke's head.

Speaking of this, something just occurred to me, this might be a stretch, but when Ilana and Bram show up at the cabin and the ring of Ash is broken, is it possible that Locke did it?? Remember when Ben goes into the room to call Smokey, and then comes out, and Locke is walking out of the jungle?? Well, maybe Locke went off to the cabin and broke the ring of ash. I have no idea why he would at the moment, but I think it's possible.

[nomteticus]

I think you're right about BizarroLocke breaking the ash circle.
Also, I think a part of Locke is still in that body. BizarroChristian knew stuff about Christian, and so did BizarroYemi.

[bastor]

Well Esau/Man #2 said he had to give a lot for the loop hole he found meaning he might have not only given up his bodily form and turned into Smokey but given up memories and merged with Locke (his soul or w/e remained of him after his death(remember Smokey could only use his "bait" dead people for not too long and they weren't even close to real behavior etc.))....i stand firm behind this thesis.

[toadsage]

Well, I'm in the camp that thinks that Man 2 is actually Smokey, and can shape shift into other people. And since we know that Smokey can also "scan you" and find out your personal info, he probably just "sucked" all the info out of Locke's head.

Speaking of this, something just occurred to me, this might be a stretch, but when Ilana and Bram show up at the cabin and the ring of Ash is broken, is it possible that Locke did it?? Remember when Ben goes into the room to call Smokey, and then comes out, and Locke is walking out of the jungle?? Well, maybe Locke went off to the cabin and broke the ring of ash. I have no idea why he would at the moment, but I think it's possible.

he did call smokey, and it appeared in the form of john. and when ben fell down the hole, locke wanders off to "get some rope". and then smokey appears, and tells ben to do whatever john tells him to. i think youre right bob, john is smokey. thanks for opening my eyes to this

[BobBX542]

Well, I'm in the camp that thinks that Man 2 is actually Smokey, and can shape shift into other people. And since we know that Smokey can also "scan you" and find out your personal info, he probably just "sucked" all the info out of Locke's head.

Speaking of this, something just occurred to me, this might be a stretch, but when Ilana and Bram show up at the cabin and the ring of Ash is broken, is it possible that Locke did it?? Remember when Ben goes into the room to call Smokey, and then comes out, and Locke is walking out of the jungle?? Well, maybe Locke went off to the cabin and broke the ring of ash. I have no idea why he would at the moment, but I think it's possible.

he did call smokey, and it appeared in the form of john. and when ben fell down the hole, locke wanders off to "get some rope". and then smokey appears, and tells ben to do whatever john tells him to. i think youre right bob, john is smokey. thanks for opening my eyes to this

I (now) think John coming out of the jungle was actually a subtle hint that he is smokey. At first I wasn't convinced of it, but after the finale, it just seems to hit me in the face.

[opgelost]

there are other experinces besides the cabin that this "fake"  locke knows about.  as soon as Ben woke up they discussed how Ben killed him which would have only been known to the real Locke...  the real and fake lock are somehow connected unless Locke was taken over a lot earlier than we think.  Maybe even as soon as Jacob touched his sholder after he broke his back....

Maybe he was a part of Locke and slowly became stronger, like Voldemort in Harry Potter, and the final step was that Locke had to die.
Remember the story of the moth in the coccoon that Locke told Charlie. He said he could help it, but than it would be to weak to survive
and that transforming was hard. Later he said that he needed all the pain to get where he was now.
Locke went on a journey of spiritual renewall. On the island he got taken by Smokey and looked into the eye of the island.
He knows a lot about the island.

[KoKoNut]

I thought it was Esau using John's body and that for some reason he can only use people who have died (Locke, Charlie, Ana Lucia) to influence those that he needs.  He used Alex's identity to influence Ben into believing in Locke which was also Esau all along.  Cuz for some reason Esau can't kill Jacob himself. Does that make any sense?

I even started to wonder if Esau's true self was Smokie.  He is the darkness and Jacob is the Light.  Oh gads, I have no idea.  Just whistling in the dark here.

[Shivy]

Does this mean that Locke is truely dead?

or is it possible for him to come back once all is said and done (series finale)?

[BobBX542]

Does this mean that Locke is truely dead?

or is it possible for him to come back once all is said and done (series finale)?

I'm thinking that whatever happened down in the hole near the swan is going to "fix" things, and bring characters back to life, so even though he was basically dead the whole time, he will be alive again next season (fingers crossed). I just really want to see Shannon Sunbathing again.