A red herring... litteraly!!

[grizn0]

Maybe we should create a poll on what we should call him.

[Jas0n]

Maybe we should create a poll on what we should call him.

excellent Idea, do it up, griz

[MattChiz]

It has to be either Esau or Clifford

[grizn0]

For choices I've got

Nemesis
Mr. Black
Mr. Blackshirt
Esau
Man #2

Any more I should throw in?

It has to be either Esau or Clifford

Why Clifford? ...Huxtable?

[MattChiz]

There just needs to be a completely random name in there. Also, add Loophole Larry.

[Sammy_G]

Definately not a red herring fish.  that fish was a red rock fish common in the pacific ocean along the reefs of coastlines.

I think Esau or Jacobs rival is smokey.   Smokey is black, the rival wears black, Esau in the bible is subserviant to Jacob (Jacob can likely control smokey, or at least esau suggests that he can not kill jacob), Smokey visited lock in the Jungle back in season one, and Lock lived.  I think that is when Esau found his loop hole.  He found a person that can be easily manipulated (as we were shown in all of locks flashbacks).

[Jas0n]

those are good choices, maybe even mr. smokey.

[stillhaventfound]

Um, how about "Bad Twin"

[rhythm]

IMDB affectionately refers to him as Man #2. So I'm all up for that. LOL, or maybe Deuce.

Deuce- I like it!

[lostlady]

Why the flip are we calling him Esau though? Just because of the name Jacob? Or is there something more that I'm missing. That is WAYYY too obvious for Lost. I think they might pull symbolism from the Jacob/Esau biblical account, but for it to actually BE that, nooo.

my thought exactly

[opgelost]

I just call him Jacob's enemy.

[CameronLee]

I saw a comment in one of the articles that calls him "Unlocke" I like that. Other than that my votes either to Esau or Man 2.

[CameronLee]

Oh also, about the red herring... I also saw a comment about a quote from the god Sobek (what people now think is the statue). It goes:

I am Sobek, who dwelleth amid his terrors. I am Sobek, and I seize [my prey] like a ravening beast. I am the great Fish which is in Kamui. I am the Lord to whom bowings and prostrations are made in Sekhem. And the Osiris Ani is the lord to whom bowings and prostrations are made in Sekhem.

Kamui means a divine or spiritual being...

Just some thoughts.

[John Major]

Oh also, about the red herring... I also saw a comment about a quote from the god Sobek (what people now think is the statue). It goes:

I am Sobek, who dwelleth amid his terrors. I am Sobek, and I seize [my prey] like a ravening beast. I am the great Fish which is in Kamui. I am the Lord to whom bowings and prostrations are made in Sekhem. And the Osiris Ani is the lord to whom bowings and prostrations are made in Sekhem.

Kamui means a divine or spiritual being...

Just some thoughts.

Just to add something to your mention of Sobek, perhaps Sobek is Jacob and smokey is Apophis. You can read more on Apophis here http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/apep.htm. There are conjectures that say Sobek is the avatar of Ra rather then his own deity, Apophis is the nemesis of Ra.

[Zinzi]

As long as we don't call him Focke I don't mind what else it is! 

Where have I seen the guy that played him in the opening scenes before?!  (I must check IMDB if I can drag myself away from this forum!)  I found it quite distracting that both Jacob & Unlocke/Deuce were hotties!      Some great ideas and theories flying around.  It's interesting that we can apply many different religions and beliefs to Lost.  I think maybe it's not so much about any one religion, but all of them.  In all faiths there are always 2 sides, good and bad.  I just wish I could work out who's who!