Are Sawyer And Kate Destined To Be Together?

[grizn0]

Sawyer wasn't "sleeping around" though. Kate left the island. He figured she was gone for good. Sawyer and Juliet had been through the time skipping together. Relatioships can blossom from tramatic experiences. They were there for each other in a trying time. Then they spent 3 years together. I don't see this as sleeping around on Sawyer's part.

[WhatThe]

I just don't like the fact that she needs to sleep with a man to make things feel ok...she is so shallow. She doesn't know who are what she wants, which is why she keeps going back and forth between Jack and Sawyer. She needs to be her own person.

That annoys me, too, but don't we see Sawyer having the same problem with Kate bing back near him? He was happy with Juliet when Kate was off-island.

See, I REALLY don't buy this. I think Saywer is STILL sincerely happy with Juliet even with kate back. We have yet to see Sawyer have the same problem with Kate being back that Kate has had with Jack and Sawyer. In fact, Sawyer seems amazingly dedicated to Juliet. Kate's presence has caused some emotion to occasionally register on his face, sure. But no real signs of conflict have ever arisen. He's actually been very blunt about his feelings for Juliet, and has remained impressively consistent in them and in expressing them.

Kate, by comparison, seemed to never know exactly which one of the two men she really wanted to stick with. Hell, Saywer once even called her out on it, after them moved into the barracks. He said something to the effect of "Everytime you're mad at Doc you come sleep with me"...which earned him a slap across the face lol. But damn if what he said didn't ring true. And Sawyer, again to his credit, tried to convince "freckles" to stay on the island and build a home and a life together with him in the barracks, which she more or less laughed off. Well, damn if he didn't find a willing participant in Juliet, and he's not eager to let go of her because of it.

I thought the character of Kate was growing emotionally this season, but lately in the most recent episodes she seems to react mostly from anger, frustration and (yes) selfishness more than any other emotions. Not sure why they have her character going in that direction, but they do.

[WhatThe]

Sawyer wasn't "sleeping around" though. Kate left the island. He figured she was gone for good. Sawyer and Juliet had been through the time skipping together. Relatioships can blossom from tramatic experiences. They were there for each other in a trying time. Then they spent 3 years together. I don't see this as sleeping around on Sawyer's part.

You could consider him sleeping with Anna Lucia and Kate as "sleeping around", but the thing is, in both instances the woman was the aggressor. Not that there's anything wrong with sexually aggressive women, trust me lol. But he only slept with Anna Lucia because SHE was manipulating him in order to get his gun. Kate was the aggressor while they were in the cage together, although that played out more like finally expressing their attraction moreso than anything else...both were equally "aggressive", so to speak. And you're right, Sawyer's "sleeping with" Juliet is not at all like "sleeping around". It's a full-blown, sincere and very much real relationship, one that has lasted 3 years and one that he seems hellbent on keeping, no matter what obstacles occur or what may happen between he and Juliet. So far I don't think Kate has the emotional maturity to stick with a relationship and see it through it's rocky, obstacle-filled rough patches.

Of course neither was Jack, which made them a bad match to begin with lol. Jack, now though, seems far more emotionally secure and consistent. He's even willing to acknowledge to Kate that their relationship together was not really all that good, and that she never really "liked" him.

[lostlady]

I just don't like the fact that she needs to sleep with a man to make things feel ok...she is so shallow. She doesn't know who are what she wants, which is why she keeps going back and forth between Jack and Sawyer. She needs to be her own person.

That annoys me, too, but don't we see Sawyer having the same problem with Kate bing back near him? He was happy with Juliet when Kate was off-island.

See, I REALLY don't buy this. I think Saywer is STILL sincerely happy with Juliet even with kate back. We have yet to see Sawyer have the same problem with Kate being back that Kate has had with Jack and Sawyer. In fact, Sawyer seems amazingly dedicated to Juliet. Kate's presence has caused some emotion to occasionally register on his face, sure. But no real signs of conflict have ever arisen. He's actually been very blunt about his feelings for Juliet, and has remained impressively consistent in them and in expressing them.

Kate, by comparison, seemed to never know exactly which one of the two men she really wanted to stick with. Hell, Saywer once even called her out on it, after them moved into the barracks. He said something to the effect of "Everytime you're mad at Doc you come sleep with me"...which earned him a slap across the face lol. But damn if what he said didn't ring true. And Sawyer, again to his credit, tried to convince "freckles" to stay on the island and build a home and a life together with him in the barracks, which she more or less laughed off. Well, damn if he didn't find a willing participant in Juliet, and he's not eager to let go of her because of it.

I thought the character of Kate was growing emotionally this season, but lately in the most recent episodes she seems to react mostly from anger, frustration and (yes) selfishness more than any other emotions. Not sure why they have her character going in that direction, but they do.

Kate has never bothered me but the last few episodes I have noticed a change in her character. Last night, I really started to dislike her. So the writers are definitley changing her direction for the worse. I wonder what the plan is.

[grizn0]

Wow I totally forgot about Ana Lucia! But yeah she litterally jumped him lol.

Kate has never bothered me but the last few episodes I have noticed a change in her character. Last night, I really started to dislike her. So the writers are definitley changing her direction for the worse. I wonder what the plan is.

If you're getting at what I think you're getting at... I think they will redeem her character before that happens. But you may not be far off.

[WhatThe]

Wow I totally forgot about Ana Lucia! But yeah she litterally jumped him lol.

Kate has never bothered me but the last few episodes I have noticed a change in her character. Last night, I really started to dislike her. So the writers are definitley changing her direction for the worse. I wonder what the plan is.

If you're getting at what I think you're getting at... I think they will redeem her character before that happens. But you may not be far off.

Yep, I agree with you both. I think the writers are purposefully making Kate a bit erratic in her actions and emotions for a reason. Just not sure yet what those reasons are, but as griz said, I'm sure part of it will be showing a redemption of sorts from Kate.

Either that, or they REALLY needed her to be off the island, and decided the best way to get her off the island was to show her becoming more frustrated, scared and emotionally confused...which would lead her to make decisions that lead to her getting put on the sub and being taken back to the "real" world. Maybe something happens to her off-island which is important to the overall storyline...

[nomteticus]

Yeah, Sawyer and Juliet were heading to a happy end in the 70s, but destiny, being a fickle bitch and all, brought Kate on the sub. Not sure if you watched the previews, but this event may turn out to change the path of the happy couple.

[WhatThe]

Yeah, Sawyer and Juliet were heading to a happy end in the 70s, but destiny, being a fickle bitch and all, brought Kate on the sub. Not sure if you watched the previews, but this event may turn out to change the path of the happy couple.

What's funny is that I never watch previews lol. I come into each episode completely unaware and without expectations or speculations.

[GUTZandRAGE]

JACK: If we can do what Faraday said... [sniffs] our plane never crashes... Flight 815 lands in Los Angeles. And everyone we lost since we got here... [chuckles] they'd all be alive.

KATE: And what about us? We just... go on living our life because we've never met?

JACK: All the misery that we've been through... we'd just wipe it clean. Never happened.

KATE: It was not all misery.

JACK: [Sighs] Enough of it was.


Here what I get is Kate trying to tell Jack that she doesn't want him to try and save everyone whos died because then they would never meet and she would go to jail. Is that enough to prove her selfishness? "I don't want you to do it because I will be negatively affected. Even though everyone else would still be alive."

I've been trying to get to that since I started posting here, and got my chops busted for it. I'm very relieved she showed her true colors. It was only a matter of time.

And she and Sawyer do belong together. Birds of a feather and all that.

[Novashannon]

JACK: If we can do what Faraday said... [sniffs] our plane never crashes... Flight 815 lands in Los Angeles. And everyone we lost since we got here... [chuckles] they'd all be alive.

KATE: And what about us? We just... go on living our life because we've never met?

JACK: All the misery that we've been through... we'd just wipe it clean. Never happened.

KATE: It was not all misery.

JACK: [Sighs] Enough of it was.


Here what I get is Kate trying to tell Jack that she doesn't want him to try and save everyone whos died because then they would never meet and she would go to jail. Is that enough to prove her selfishness? "I don't want you to do it because I will be negatively affected. Even though everyone else would still be alive."

I've been trying to get to that since I started posting here, and got my chops busted for it. I'm very relieved she showed her true colors. It was only a matter of time.

And she and Sawyer do belong together. Birds of a feather and all that.

I still don't see that she is any different than anyone else.  She is not my favorite character, but not as bad as some folks make her out to be.  Poor Sawyer; he couldn't fight off Ana Lucia!  Just because she jumped him does not mean he had to go along with it.On fact, it is worse if it is someone you don't even care for.

[GUTZandRAGE]

Sawyer is trash, and yes, all human beings by definition are to some extent selfish and hypocritical. It is the nature of the beast. Some, however, can at times, put those things aside and think about the greater good. Jack did it. Sayid is doing it. Kate cannot, never could. She's an awful human being. I like the fact that the show has given us such a wide range of characters, but she's a bad seed. And she might do a lot more damage before the show is over.

If Daniel is proven right, and things can be changed, then it would be her fault that Ben Linus lived to do the things he did. We still have to wait and see if there is anything to Dan's theory before we can assess how much damage that little chick has actually done.

[The Penguin]

Kate is a runner and she is extremely selfish. She wouldn't sacrifice her free life to save everyone who died so far in the show. And she didn't want to sacrifice her realtionship with Jack. She got pissed at him because he wanted to do something that could potentially save Charlie, Boone, SHannon etc... but it would mean that her and Kate would never meet and Kate would go to jail.

OK, seriously - and maybe this makes me a horrible human being, but if I had been through 3 years that I didn't want to lose and was facing jail and was going to end up NOT meeting the man I love, I might be hesitant about saving the world too!  Self-preservation is a very strong instinct.  It doesn't make her a bad person.  Are you forgetting that JACK wanted to let 12 year old Ben die??  BEFORE he became all evil and stuff?  And that KATE was the one with a heart who wanted to save him?

[GUTZandRAGE]

You say heart, I say guilt.

I see Jack, a doctor, taking a greater burden by breaking his oath and forsaking a human life to save those Ben would kill. And kill he did. Lots.

[rhythm]

Kate does not deserve Sawyer, she doesn't deserve anyone as far as I can tell, she should just go bang Hurley so that guy can get some.

Kate never betrayed anyone like Sawyer did.  I was disappointed in him; I thought he was better than that!  And Juliet let him do it.  Kate would at least have told Sawyer not to give in.

It is quite possible that Sawyer did not give them accurate directions...

[LostinLock]

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