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Offline E.S.B.

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Going to kill Jacob
« on: May 06, 2009, 11:09:31 PM »
So Locke says he's going to kill Jacob. Wow! Why? Did the Island tell him to?

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Re: Going to kill Jacob
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2009, 11:10:51 PM »
The tumor in his head told him to do it. That came out of nowhere.

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Re: Going to kill Jacob
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2009, 11:10:58 PM »
Yea, I really have know Idea.  I think it is more because he will be someone very important that we either already have seen or heard of.  I dont think he will be able to kill him.

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Re: Going to kill Jacob
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2009, 11:12:25 PM »
I actually wonder if Jacob wants to die and Locke is the only who can or will kill him ?
maybe Jacob doesn't age, like Richard; and Jacob has been trapped on the island for 1000's of years and now he is tired of life and just wants to end it
so Jacob actually chose Locke just for this purpose
« Last Edit: May 06, 2009, 11:15:52 PM by jamesl »

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Re: Going to kill Jacob
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2009, 11:13:44 PM »
When Jacob said "Help me" he really meant "Kill me."

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Re: Going to kill Jacob
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2009, 11:14:05 PM »
It's funny, but when I heard this I immediately thought of the Zen koan:

"If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him!"

Here's a breakdown of what that means (worth the read)

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The first step is to cast off the literal translation.  This koan is not suggesting that if you are walking down the road and Siddhartha Gautama himself appears before you that you are to take out a weapon and slay him.

Your analysis might begin by asking yourself questions about each of the elements:

What is “the Buddha”?  What is the “road”?  Where is the “road"?  What would it mean to “kill”?

Let’s start with the “road”.  Don’t think about this as a physical roadway; koans are rarely to be taken literally.  Perhaps the road is the path we are following in life or perhaps it is our contemplative practice.

What would it mean to meet the Buddha while on the contemplative path?  Perhaps this refers to thinking that you can clearly imagine what a Buddha is, that you can define the Buddha, or even the notion that you are the Buddha that you imagine or have defined.

We have described a situation where, within your contemplative practice, you think that you have a perfect image or definition of enlightenment.  If this occurs, this koan has some instructions for you: “Kill him.”  In this case, the “him” is not a person, but instead it is the image or thought of the Buddha or enlightenment.

Our koan can therefore be thought to mean the following:

If, during your contemplative practice, thoughts arise that tell you that you have arrived at a final definition or image of enlightenment, set those thoughts aside and get back to your practice.

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Re: Going to kill Jacob
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2009, 11:18:33 PM »
When Jacob said "Help me" he really meant "Kill me."

I like this - maybe the Others have been holding Jacob hostage in between the worlds of life and death, and Locke is going to free him by killing him (releasing him?).

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Re: Going to kill Jacob
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2009, 11:19:08 PM »
Maybe he means he will kill the myth that is Jacob by shining light on who he really is.
I think that Jacob is stuck in a ghostlike state, less alive than even Christian.
I do like the idea of Locke releasing him.

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Re: Going to kill Jacob
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2009, 11:20:21 PM »
When Jacob said "Help me" he really meant "Kill me."

I like this - maybe the Others have been holding Jacob hostage in between the worlds of life and death, and Locke is going to free him by killing him (releasing him?).

That's what I'm thinking.  I've thought for awhile that Jacob is "trapped" in time somehow.

But, how Locke knows this now is a mystery still...

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Re: Going to kill Jacob
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2009, 11:22:00 PM »
Or kill him (Jacob) like Locke was killed.  (aka "resurrected")

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Re: Going to kill Jacob
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2009, 11:26:54 PM »
as in kill the idea that is Jacob.. cos Jacob isn't real.

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Re: Going to kill Jacob
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2009, 11:28:49 PM »
as in kill the idea that is Jacob.. cos Jacob isn't real.

Why do you think Jacob isn't real?

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Re: Going to kill Jacob
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2009, 11:30:41 PM »
Didn't Locke say that in this eppy?

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Re: Going to kill Jacob
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2009, 11:47:30 PM »
Is Jack's real purpose in 1977 to keep Locke from killing Jacob in 2008? (It's gotta be 2008 by now, doesn't it?)

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Re: Going to kill Jacob
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2009, 11:48:50 PM »
The way Ben and Richard looked at each other when Locke inivited everyone to go see Jacob makes me think they are hiding some key facts about Jacob--like he doesn't exist or is being held hostage.