DES & PENNY = Adam & Eve (Cave)

[BobBX542]

I hope it isn't Rose and Bernard, because since they have been gone and we have all been wondering where they are, it would be the lamest, worst answer if the answer to where are they is that they went back to the caves and just waited to die.

[LostGirlDeb]

Yeah, the "I told you I would never leave you" bit seems to point towards Desmond and Penny being Adam & Eve.  But I don't see how TPTB could claim that they intended that from the very start -- (isn't that what they said in some interview?) -- when those two characters hadn't even been introduced at the beginning.  That's my reasoning for arguing that it has to be Jack and Kate (and not even Bernard and Rose) because that's the only "couple" we were shown from Day One (besides Sun and Jin).

Yup that is what they said
They said Adam and Eve will prove that they knew where the story was going and how it would end from the start
(Because some people thought they were making it up as they went along)

[Mrs Alpert]

Whoever died there, did so in the 50s or 60s...because jack said that it took their clothes about 40 to 50 years to decay to the point they had.

I thought later Locke (or someone else) gave a different amount of time (a shorter length) then the original 40-50 years as stated by Jack. I swear I read that as a blooper/continuity error on Lostpedia, but maybe I'm making it up.

When Locke finds the Nigerian "priest," Boone asks Locke how long the guy had been dead. Locke tells him that in this jungle climate, it could be anywhere between 2-10 years. By this calculation, Jack's original 40-50 year estimation of Adam and Eve's death would be more like an 8-50 year range. 

[grizn0]

Whoever died there, did so in the 50s or 60s...because jack said that it took their clothes about 40 to 50 years to decay to the point they had.

I thought later Locke (or someone else) gave a different amount of time (a shorter length) then the original 40-50 years as stated by Jack. I swear I read that as a blooper/continuity error on Lostpedia, but maybe I'm making it up.

When Locke finds the Nigerian "priest," Boone asks Locke how long the guy had been dead. Locke tells him that in this jungle climate, it could be anywhere between 2-10 years. By this calculation, Jack's original 40-50 year estimation of Adam and Eve's death would be more like an 8-50 year range. 

Yeah but I would think Jack knows a little more about how the human body works than Locke. You know, him being a doctor and all.

[WhatThe]

Whoever died there, did so in the 50s or 60s...because jack said that it took their clothes about 40 to 50 years to decay to the point they had.

I thought later Locke (or someone else) gave a different amount of time (a shorter length) then the original 40-50 years as stated by Jack. I swear I read that as a blooper/continuity error on Lostpedia, but maybe I'm making it up.

When Locke finds the Nigerian "priest," Boone asks Locke how long the guy had been dead. Locke tells him that in this jungle climate, it could be anywhere between 2-10 years. By this calculation, Jack's original 40-50 year estimation of Adam and Eve's death would be more like an 8-50 year range. 

Yeah but I would think Jack knows a little more about how the human body works than Locke. You know, him being a doctor and all.

But Jack was talking about their clothing, not their bodies. The clothing on the priests was more intact than the clothes on Adam and Eve.

[Mrs Alpert]

But the Adam and Eve skeletons looked equally decomposed as the Nigerians, or at least nearly, if I remember right.

[WhatThe]

But the Adam and Eve skeletons looked equally decomposed as the Nigerians, or at least nearly, if I remember right.

They may have, but then again maybe bodies can only decompose so far before they just stop. At any rate, Jack was basing his guess off of the condition of Adam and Eve's clothing, as where Locke was (I'm guessing) basing his guess of the condition of the priest's body. I think the writers were giving us an anchor point with the "40 to 50 years" comment by Jack, telling us to do the math and look back to what would/could have happened that many years ago to get a clue to who they are and what their importance is. Interestingly enough, if you go back 50 years from when Jack found them in the cave, it takes you back to 1954, when Locke, Daniel and the rest time flashed to Richard, Charles, Eloise and "Jughead". So maybe something in that episode will give clues to who Adam and Eve really are.

[lostlady]

But the Adam and Eve skeletons looked equally decomposed as the Nigerians, or at least nearly, if I remember right.

They may have, but then again maybe bodies can only decompose so far before they just stop. At any rate, Jack was basing his guess off of the condition of Adam and Eve's clothing, as where Locke was (I'm guessing) basing his guess of the condition of the priest's body. I think the writers were giving us an anchor point with the "40 to 50 years" comment by Jack, telling us to do the math and look back to what would/could have happened that many years ago to get a clue to who they are and what their importance is. Interestingly enough, if you go back 50 years from when Jack found them in the cave, it takes you back to 1954, when Locke, Daniel and the rest time flashed to Richard, Charles, Eloise and "Jughead". So maybe something in that episode will give clues to who Adam and Eve really are.

Or an upcoming episode where they travel back to 1954. I have a feeling we are not done with that time period.

[grizn0]

But the Adam and Eve skeletons looked equally decomposed as the Nigerians, or at least nearly, if I remember right.

They may have, but then again maybe bodies can only decompose so far before they just stop. At any rate, Jack was basing his guess off of the condition of Adam and Eve's clothing, as where Locke was (I'm guessing) basing his guess of the condition of the priest's body. I think the writers were giving us an anchor point with the "40 to 50 years" comment by Jack, telling us to do the math and look back to what would/could have happened that many years ago to get a clue to who they are and what their importance is. Interestingly enough, if you go back 50 years from when Jack found them in the cave, it takes you back to 1954, when Locke, Daniel and the rest time flashed to Richard, Charles, Eloise and "Jughead". So maybe something in that episode will give clues to who Adam and Eve really are.

Or an upcoming episode where they travel back to 1954. I have a feeling we are not done with that time period.

I also have a feeling we're not done with time travel.

[Des]

I HOPE we're not done with time travel.

It makes my brain hurt, but I LOVE it!

[Mrs Hume]

oh great. not done with time travel.  

[Mrs Alpert]

What more do you think they can explore in the past? I mean, how people first got there, where Richard comes from, the Black Rock, the statue... but if Adam and Eve are really from the 50's, is there anything else from that time period that would interest us? Or will it be a quick flash to 1954ish, we see who they are, and move on to a different time period?   That wouldn't be very satisfying to me.

And I'm pretty sure Locke was describing the clothing, not the body, when he was estimating the decomposition. Jack's a doctor but not a mortician. I'm sure a spinal surgeon has experience with dead bodies but I don't think it's to the point where he can estimate time of death based on a quick overview, in a jungle setting, with who knows what kinds of elements being factors. He said 40-50 years. If a body only decomposes so much before it stops, how do we know it doesn't take 2 years for a dead body to look like that on the island? And if the climate alters body decomp, why not clothing as well? Wow this is morbid.

I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying it's possible. I don't want to leave a stone unturned.

[BrianIsLost2]

I hope it isn't Rose and Bernard, because since they have been gone and we have all been wondering where they are, it would be the lamest, worst answer if the answer to where are they is that they went back to the caves and just waited to die.

See, I think that it would be a great answer, because I think that Adam and Eve are not just two people who died in a cave.  I think they are actualy Adam and Eve.  Why would they be given the name Adam and Eve if they are just two who died in a cave?  I promise you there is something more to the names they were given then just names.  I think it would be great if we find out that the answer to the question of where Rose and Bernard are is that they were back in time creating the human race.

[grizn0]

lol, I dont know about "creating the human race"... thats a stretch.

[Mrs Hume]

I always thought it was Des and Penny because they have the black and white stones first, but we haven't seen Rose and Bernard and they traveled to 1954. So the time frame is right, and the fact that those charactors mean something to us. but how did they get the stones back? Jack took them and I find it hard to understand why he would pack them and bring them back to the island with him.  did he bring them back and now he will put the stones back where he found them , when he discovers them? it doesn't make any sense to me. I'm stumped.