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« on: April 30, 2009, 12:03:58 PM » |
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If they change to Flight 815 not crashing on the island, then they all would never meet and become friends. Jack won't have Kate; Sawyer won't have Juliet. Kate would not have all those years with Aaron. Charlie and Claire will never have loved. Maybe they won't want to chage that. We give up the good in our lives if we give up the bad. Oh, and Kate would still be in jail. Sawyer would still be scamming instead of channeling his inner hero. Sun would want to excape Jin. Charlie still be on drugs. Rose have cancer. Locke be in a wheelchair. Would they want that?
OO the other hand, maybe the future would try to course correct and bring them to their destineis in another way.
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2009, 12:13:12 PM » |
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I would have to say that if the crash never happened the universe would course correct and the ones that were supposed to die, would, but the Losties would not neccesarily ever meet each other. I am hoping the Losties can't change a thing but if they do the ones who time traveled wiould still have the memories of the 'crash that didn't happen' and know they were living an alternate timeline. Otherwise what would be the point of the whole show? To show what might have happened to a bunch of people but never did? Yuck.
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2009, 12:21:07 PM » |
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I think the Des episode Flashes, showed that things would course correct. Maybe the plane crashes and we see Desmond is crazy and Rousseau and Alex were killed by the Others.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2009, 12:23:54 PM » |
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They can't change anything , Daniel could be wrong about his "variable" theory or the course correction might play it's part. I think Daniel being shot (thats what always happens) proofs it. IF Daniel wouldn't die , he could stop the incident , but he does and thats what always happens and so their is nobody to stop the incident and that's what we are going to see in the finale...Jack and Kate screw things up because they don't really know what they are supposed to do
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2009, 12:30:23 PM » |
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I think some would want to change their future, others not. Jack wouldn't want to crash, Kate, Sawyer, The Jins, they all would. But I still don't think you can change the past. I don't believe in a ripple effect BUT IF you could I would believe in the ri[pple effect.
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2009, 02:29:41 PM » |
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Sounds like that makes Jack the variable.  Cause will he want the plane to crash or not? Old Jack - no. New Jack, we have to go back Jack, "will you marry me, Kate?" Jack - maybe.
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2009, 11:45:36 PM » |
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Yeah, I agree that The Variable (if there is one) is Jack. He says he still doesn't know what "his purpose" is for coming back. Trying to prevent the Incident will be his attempt anyway, but I don't think it will take.
Then what happens to them? It's up to Sun to bring them back by turning the FDW, I suppose. That should cause all of them to flash back to a 2007 time frame (assuming the Island is done with them). No reason for Jack, Kate, Sun, Jin to want to stay on the Island. Kate will bring Claire back to the reunite with Aaron. I think James/Juliet would be OK either place. John, Bernard and Rose will stay on the Island. Sayid seems like a candidate for death to me. Miles probably stays with his father and dies in the Purge. Hurley has to return to the real world.
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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2009, 12:36:25 AM » |
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I would have to say that if the crash never happened the universe would course correct and the ones that were supposed to die, would, but the Losties would not neccesarily ever meet each other. I am hoping the Losties can't change a thing but if they do the ones who time traveled wiould still have the memories of the 'crash that didn't happen' and know they were living an alternate timeline. Otherwise what would be the point of the whole show? To show what might have happened to a bunch of people but never did? Yuck. These are my thoughts exactly! if they can't change anything, what's the point!? I say, they change some things but some things stay the same. They will remember everything because right now it's their present. the crash will always be in their past no matter what yr they are in, and the future will be in 2008 that they haven't lived to do yet. the future will be what benefits from all the change.
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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2009, 06:23:40 AM » |
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If they try to change the future, then the future they experienced was a result of those attempts. What happened, happened. No course correction, because the course never diverges.
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2009, 06:45:29 AM » |
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If they change to Flight 815 not crashing on the island, then they all would never meet and become friends. Jack won't have Kate; Sawyer won't have Juliet. Kate would not have all those years with Aaron. Charlie and Claire will never have loved. Maybe they won't want to chage that. We give up the good in our lives if we give up the bad. Oh, and Kate would still be in jail. Sawyer would still be scamming instead of channeling his inner hero. Sun would want to excape Jin. Charlie still be on drugs. Rose have cancer. Locke be in a wheelchair. Would they want that?
OO the other hand, maybe the future would try to course correct and bring them to their destineis in another way.
As I read your post, it made me sad, because you're so right they have to give up the good times along with the bad. But, before I got to your last line, I could see the final scene in my head, if this scenario were to happen where they change everything and the plane doesn't crash, and there are Jack and Kate in an airport meeting for the "first time" feeling like they know each other. So I'd think maybe the universe might course correct and bring them all together another way.
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2009, 10:26:26 AM » |
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If they try to change the future, then the future they experienced was a result of those attempts. What happened, happened. No course correction, because the course never diverges.
Exactly what I always say!
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2009, 12:25:08 PM » |
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If they were able to "fix" this and 815 landed safely, think about all the people that wouldn't have died: Michael, Charlie, Mr. Eko, Shannon, Libby, Boone, Charlotte, Ana Lucia, Pablo, Nikki, and now Daniel. Plus all the others that died and the people who died in the original plane crash.
Are the friendships the survivors made more important than the lives of all of those people. Pretty heavy stuff.
Although, I could totally see the series ending with the Losties able to course correct and it would just show them back on the plane, a little turbulence and then they land safely, with something about the time travel memory loss making them forget all the adventures they went through. Just getting off the plane and going about their lives like nothing happened. The writers did say it was more about the characters then the island, so I could see that ending happening.
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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2009, 12:48:26 PM » |
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Allinteresting thoughs, thank you! One point, Nora; we don't know who would die as a reswult of not landing on the island. Many of our characters believfe that ,if you are going to die, you will. So all those people might die anyway.
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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2009, 03:36:59 PM » |
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Novashannon, everyone is going to die eventually. I was just saying that if the plane landed safely those people wouldn't have died on the island, or at the hands of people on the island.
Oh and I forgot all the people Sayid killed for Ben and his "wife".
And I think it is possible that maybe their landing on the island wasn't supposed to happen in the first place. It's so hard to say what was supposed to and not supposed to happen anymore with all the time jumps and what can and can't be changed about the past and future.
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2009, 04:10:08 PM » |
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Whatever happened happened.
I'd be so let down if at the end of the series they made it so none of it ever happened. That would be akin to "It was all a dream", it would be a colossal let down.
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