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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2009, 11:00:14 AM » |
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I don't understand why you say it "will keep happening over and over again for the rest of eternnity." It already happened. anything they do to try to change the future will just be what they already did that made events unfold as they do. It is in the past, though, not happening multiple times.
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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2009, 11:02:21 AM » |
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Where does Locke fit into all of this?
Jack and Locke both have to do the same thing at the temple at the "same time" to cause the incident and return our heros back to 2007.  I liked it the first time when I saw it on the Star Trek TNG series finale. |
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grizn0
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2009, 11:04:05 AM » |
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I don't understand why you say it "will keep happening over and over again for the rest of eternnity." It already happened. anything they do to try to change the future will just be what they already did that made events unfold as they do. It is in the past, though, not happening multiple times.
But if everything happens the same way it already has, then they will crash on the island again and go through all of this again. Not the people we are watching right now, but the (now) younger versions of themselves. How is that confusing? Where does Locke fit into all of this?
Jack and Locke both have to do the same thing at the temple at the "same time" to cause the incident and return our heros back to 2007. I liked it the first time when I saw it on the Star Trek TNG series finale. Thats cool, I like that. |
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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2009, 11:09:00 AM » |
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I don't understand why you say it "will keep happening over and over again for the rest of eternnity." It already happened. anything they do to try to change the future will just be what they already did that made events unfold as they do. It is in the past, though, not happening multiple times.
Eloise shots Dan. Dan tells her he is her son. Eloise raises Dan as a physisist so he can find the island. Eloise tells Dan to go to the island. Dan time travels. Eloise shots Dan. Dan tells her he is her son. Eloise raises Dan as a physisist so he can find the island. Eloise tells Dan to go to the island. Dan time travels. ---Wash, rise and repeat |
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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2009, 12:15:24 PM » |
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What if the Losties, most likely Jack/Kate, aren't able to prevent the incident from happing - they actually cause it. Meaning they are the reason that their own plane crash. The show has hinted at this possibility before. Eloise shooting Daniel happens in her past, so future Eloise knows that she must send Daniel to the island, to get shot, in order for Jack and Kate to take over his mission and screw everything up and cause the incident. I think Eloise is manipulating the situation in order to ensure that whatever happened, happens. Maybe this chain of events leads to something back in 2007 that Eloise is trying to create, perhaps some way for her, possibly, Widmore, possibly someone else, to get back to the island.
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Novashannon
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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2009, 12:18:51 PM » |
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(quote)But if everything happens the same way it already has, then they will crash on the island again and go through all of this again. Not the people we are watching right now, but the (now) younger versions of themselves. How is that confusing?(/quote)
No, it only happens once, not multiple times.
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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2009, 12:21:35 PM » |
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I don't understand why you say it "will keep happening over and over again for the rest of eternnity." It already happened. anything they do to try to change the future will just be what they already did that made events unfold as they do. It is in the past, though, not happening multiple times.
Eloise shots Dan. Dan tells her he is her son. Eloise raises Dan as a physisist so he can find the island. Eloise tells Dan to go to the island. Dan time travels. Eloise shots Dan. Dan tells her he is her son. Eloise raises Dan as a physisist so he can find the island. Eloise tells Dan to go to the island. Dan time travels. ---Wash, rise and repeat I don't see it happening like that. Daniel was raised by Eloise. He was born sometime in the 70's and time marched on. In 2007 he traveled to 1977 and now he is dead. His life is over and there is no repeating of that scenerio because when he died the crash of 815 already happened in his life so there is nothing to repeat. The events that happened in 2004-2007 cannot be changed as it is considered past events in 1977. (for Daniel 1977 is the future of 2007-it's his present) Ouch--this is confusing to explain. |
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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2009, 12:23:18 PM » |
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(quote)But if everything happens the same way it already has, then they will crash on the island again and go through all of this again. Not the people we are watching right now, but the (now) younger versions of themselves. How is that confusing?(/quote)
No, it only happens once, not multiple times.
Novashannon said what I was trying to say in my last post. Only she said it with less confusion! Thanks!  |
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grizn0
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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2009, 12:23:51 PM » |
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lol, novashannon I think you and I need our own seperate thread just to argue. We seem to do a lot of that  (quote)But if everything happens the same way it already has, then they will crash on the island again and go through all of this again. Not the people we are watching right now, but the (now) younger versions of themselves. How is that confusing?(/quote)
No, it only happens once, not multiple times.
So if it only happens once, then what about when they reach that point where they all get on 815 again? when the Jack who is born in the real world is born again... etc. |
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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2009, 12:26:30 PM » |
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lol, novashannon I think you and I need our own seperate thread just to argue. We seem to do a lot of that (quote)But if everything happens the same way it already has, then they will crash on the island again and go through all of this again. Not the people we are watching right now, but the (now) younger versions of themselves. How is that confusing?(/quote)
No, it only happens once, not multiple times.
So if it only happens once, then what about when they reach that point where they all get on 815 again? when the Jack who is born in the real world is born again... etc. To me they already got on that plane and won't be doing it again. Getting on that plane is a past event and now they are in 1977. From there, hopefully, they will get back to present time which should be the year 2009. |
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« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2009, 12:26:57 PM » |
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I don't think they're ever going to get off that island so they won't be getting on 815 again. You can't exist in 2 places at the same time that's why Ben couldn't make it back. Locke could make it back either because then wasn't his time to be the leader. Sun... I don't have a theory about her. What ever happened, happened.
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« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2009, 12:31:10 PM » |
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Well just riddle me this then...
What happens when space and time reaches September of 2004 and flight 815 flies over the island? If what ever happened happened.... and it only happened once.
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« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2009, 12:32:13 PM » |
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I don't think they're ever going to get off that island so they won't be getting on 815 again. You can't exist in 2 places at the same time that's why Ben couldn't make it back. Locke could make it back either because then wasn't his time to be the leader. Sun... I don't have a theory about her. What ever happened, happened.
But nobody is existing in two places at the same time. Adult Miles is a different consciousness than baby-Miles, 2008-Ben is a different consciousness than 1977-Ben. I think your current consciousness can't exist in two places at once, but there's no danger of that happening because nobody's splitting themselves up. No doppelgangers. ....not sure if that makes sense. |
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« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2009, 12:33:18 PM » |
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Well just riddle me this then...
What happens when space and time reaches September of 2004 and flight 815 flies over the island? If what ever happened happened.... and it only happened once.
Their heads will explode like Charlottes' and Smokey will come and claim his dead. |
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« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2009, 12:36:41 PM » |
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I don't think they're ever going to get off that island so they won't be getting on 815 again. You can't exist in 2 places at the same time that's why Ben couldn't make it back. Locke could make it back either because then wasn't his time to be the leader. Sun... I don't have a theory about her. What ever happened, happened.
I forgot about Miles... ok ya can be in the same place at the same time... |
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