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Offline Writers_Strike

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There are no Variables
« on: April 30, 2009, 07:30:53 AM »
Dan told Jack and Kate that they can change the past because they were Variables in the equation. He said they had free will to change things. His plan was to detonate Jughead to prevent the hatch from being built in the first place. Dan even pulled a Mcfly and brought his very own sports almanac from the future (the journal). He knew exactly when the incident happens and when Chang would be "right on time" at the Orchid. Yet he still gets shot by his own mother like always. He did what he was supposed to do, what hes always done.

What this episode shows us is that there are no variables, what ever happens already happened. Every "free will" decision they make leads to the hatch being built and the button being pressed.

With next weeks preview we know Jack has the journal and will try to finish what Dan started. Thinking they have free will they will continue down the path they are supposed to walk to ensure the button is built. I think that our losties will be the cause of the incident that releases the energy (1.21 gigawatts) to send them back to the future.

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Re: There are no Variables
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2009, 08:03:09 AM »
I hope you are right. We've been hit over the head with the notion that nothing anyone does can change the future so many times. I wouldn't be too happy if suddenly that changes.

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Re: There are no Variables
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2009, 08:49:52 AM »
I think Dan is right still. He just never expected to be shot by Eloise. If he had known, he might have been able to change it. But Eloise is a firm believer in destiny and she figured she had to send him back to get shot by her. Now its up to the rest of the losties to affect something.

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Re: There are no Variables
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2009, 08:51:07 AM »
Maybe next time, she'll take the time to mention to Jack that Daniel might get shot... ::)

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Re: There are no Variables
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2009, 10:13:27 AM »
I could see that. In all their attempts to "change" things, they actually end up causing everything to happen that always happened... Your theory is, at the least, easier on my brain then most others!

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Re: There are no Variables
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2009, 10:15:29 AM »
Agreed, nothing can be changed.  Jack will try and "lead" them in a futile attempt to fix things.

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Re: There are no Variables
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2009, 10:17:15 AM »
Where does Locke fit into all of this?

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Re: There are no Variables
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2009, 10:18:25 AM »
Where does Locke fit into all of this?

Oh Lord, I'm not even going to take a stab at that one. I don't think we have nearly enough information. It's almost like two different stories going on and we don't know where/how they will merge together.

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Re: There are no Variables
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2009, 10:24:13 AM »
And I think it was Charlotte that caused Daniel to throw out his science and charge blindly ahead with an idea he knew was wrong.  Love made him act foolish and get shot.

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Re: There are no Variables
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2009, 10:29:43 AM »
It's Terminator 3 all over again...

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Re: There are no Variables
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2009, 10:53:11 AM »
I do not believe that we can use the episode "The Variable" as evidence that the characters in Lost are unable to change their future. The most that can be safely deduced, in my opinion, is that Eloise is actively manipulating others into fulfilling their pre-determined life's work.

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Re: There are no Variables
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2009, 10:56:12 AM »
Whatever happened happened.. They will try to prevent the incident, but they will fail.. because they always failed..


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Re: There are no Variables
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2009, 10:59:48 AM »
Still...if Locke can come back alive, and he and others can be healed...where is the constant in those instances?

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Re: There are no Variables
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2009, 11:30:27 AM »
While I respect everyone's opinion on the fact that they cannot and will not change anything. I have to respectfully disagree. Only on the pure assumption that the writers have something much better up their sleeve other than "this will just keep happening the same way over and over for the rest of eternity". Sorry, if thats the case then I will hate this show.

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Re: There are no Variables
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2009, 11:46:55 AM »
While I respect everyone's opinion on the fact that they cannot and will not change anything. I have to respectfully disagree. Only on the pure assumption that the writers have something much better up their sleeve other than "this will just keep happening the same way over and over for the rest of eternity". Sorry, if thats the case then I will hate this show.

Me too, grizn0. Hate is a strong word...but I will be really disappointed!