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Offline Walkabout V.2

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What is a Paradox?
« on: April 16, 2009, 08:12:06 AM »
I am thoroughly confused right now. I am not a big Sci-Fi person and am struggling with the whole paradox issue because we were told by TPTB it wouldn't happen. So 2008 Miles standing 50 feet from 1977 Baby Miles isn't that a paradox? Somebody please help me.

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Re: What is a Paradox?
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2009, 08:21:20 AM »
I believe one possible paradox would be if Miles baby-sat himself and accidentally caused himself to die.  He couldn't have grown up to come back to the island.  That's a paradox.  A better one would be if he'd cause Chang's death prior to the conception of Miles (he had three years to cause that).

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Re: What is a Paradox?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2009, 08:22:17 AM »
Nah, a paradox is having two apparently contradictory things both exist as truths.

"Future" Miles standing 50 feet away from "past" Miles isn't a paradox...but "Future" Miles killing his father before he was conceived would be.

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Re: What is a Paradox?
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2009, 08:22:37 AM »
Shakey just beat me to it lol...

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Re: What is a Paradox?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2009, 08:29:58 AM »
Shakey just beat me to it lol...
I read the "Nah" and thought "Wait, I'm wrong???" LOL

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Re: What is a Paradox?
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2009, 08:36:24 AM »
Nah, a paradox is having two apparently contradictory things both exist as truths.

"Future" Miles standing 50 feet away from "past" Miles isn't a paradox...but "Future" Miles killing his father before he was conceived would be.
So Baby Miles and Miles would have to come in physical contact with each other for a paradox to exsist?  Thanks for the help but now I feel as if the point of having Ben and Sun in 2008 is kind of wasted.

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Re: What is a Paradox?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2009, 08:43:21 AM »
I don't subscribe to the theory that you can't share space with yourself.  I don't think contact would be an issue.

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Re: What is a Paradox?
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2009, 09:05:52 AM »
The conflict would be if baby Miles died. This would cause two mutually exclusive 'truths':

Baby Miles dies, and can therefore not grow up.
Grown up Miles is alive.

Obviously this is a contradiction - and is at the heart of the paradox.

Miles seeing or interacting with his baby self would not be a paradox - it might be weird, but it's older Miles interacting with young Miles. It hasn't forced any kind of contradiction.

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Re: What is a Paradox?
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2009, 09:07:31 AM »
Only fools are enslaved by time and space.

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Re: What is a Paradox?
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2009, 11:06:15 AM »
A paradox is what we have on the island - Jack and Juliet  ;)

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Re: What is a Paradox?
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2009, 11:36:01 AM »
A paradox is what we have on the island - Jack and Juliet  ;)

get it?  pair of docs?  (rim shot) ouch!

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Re: What is a Paradox?
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2009, 11:37:41 AM »
I think if a character meets it younger self with both recognizing itself, we might have an issue.  Baby Miles is too young to make this connection, so it wouldn't happen here.

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Re: What is a Paradox?
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2009, 12:14:42 PM »
If Ben tells someone that Charles would more is a liar....would he be telling the truth being a liar himself?

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Re: What is a Paradox?
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2009, 12:38:45 PM »
Speaking of paradoxes... what are they doing with the Dead Guy in the Orchid? Maybe experimenting with the time/space fly chamber on a cadaver ala Expeimental Bunny #15 that went 200ms into the future? ???

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Re: What is a Paradox?
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2009, 12:44:04 PM »
If Miles has to go back in time to save his dad so that Chang meets his mom and he is born that would be a paradox



I don't like calling two of the same people occupying the same space a paradox....Plus I don't think anything would happen