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« on: April 15, 2009, 11:03:37 PM »

Could it possibly be that Hurley first heard the numbers at the point we saw tonight (the serial number for the hatch)?  Could that really be all they are and Hurley himself makes them out to be far more on his own? I know we discussed that it sounded like him on the transmission. Possibly he recorded that during the time skips??? i'm reaching....help
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2009, 11:06:33 PM »

Could it possibly be that Hurley first heard the numbers at the point we saw tonight (the serial number for the hatch)?  Could that really be all they are and Hurley himself makes them out to be far more on his own? I know we discussed that it sounded like him on the transmission. Possibly he recorded that during the time skips??? i'm reaching....help

This is where it gets confusing so bear with me. He couldn't have heard the numbers for the first time in 1977 because it hadn't happened for him yet. That is why he knew 42 was coming. We know that he heard them from Leonard. Now where Leonard got them is any one's guess
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2009, 11:08:31 PM »

i need a chart to consult about these things.
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2009, 11:09:29 PM »

I know we discussed that it sounded like him on the transmission.

I hadn't heard that before, but very interesting idea!  It's too late though to try to wrap my head around it now though.  (I'm an accountant and it's April 15th and I've had a hectic day --make that weeks.)  I'm fried.  Guess I should go to be and come back to the posts tomorrow.
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2009, 11:09:44 PM »

i need a chart to consult about these things.

I was thinking more along the lines of a therapist for myself...
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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2009, 11:10:13 PM »

Leonard got them from Sam Toomey, who heard them while monitoring transmissions in the Pacific.
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2009, 11:11:23 PM »

I know we discussed that it sounded like him on the transmission.

I hadn't heard that before, but very interesting idea!  It's too late though to try to wrap my head around it now though.  (I'm an accountant and it's April 15th and I've had a hectic day --make that weeks.)  I'm fried.  Guess I should go to be and come back to the posts tomorrow.
somewhere i heard a clip of the transmission and it sounded like hurley....i think we had a posting on here. I'll try to locate it for you
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2009, 11:14:59 PM »

Okay...so hurley gets them from Leonard while in the institution, he plays the lottery with them, is stranded on the island, sees them on and in the hatch, leaves the island, is transported back in time and sends out a transmission with them around or before the time that the serial number is placed on the hatch, that transmission plays and Sam Toomey hears it, tells leonard and the cycle completes.
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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2009, 11:16:06 PM »

I'll check the box that reads: Possibly, but I don't have the degree I need to understand the subject material.
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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2009, 11:16:20 PM »

Okay...so hurley gets them from Leonard while in the institution, he plays the lottery with them, is stranded on the island, sees them on and in the hatch, leaves the island, is transported back in time and sends out a transmission with them around or before the time that the serial number is placed on the hatch, that transmission plays and Sam Toomey hears it, tells leonard and the cycle completes.
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« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2009, 11:17:17 PM »

Could it possibly be that Hurley first heard the numbers at the point we saw tonight (the serial number for the hatch)?  Could that really be all they are and Hurley himself makes them out to be far more on his own? I know we discussed that it sounded like him on the transmission. Possibly he recorded that during the time skips??? i'm reaching....help

This is where it gets confusing so bear with me. He couldn't have heard the numbers for the first time in 1977 because it hadn't happened for him yet. That is why he knew 42 was coming. We know that he heard them from Leonard. Now where Leonard got them is any one's guess

He can not do this because that would be a paradox
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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2009, 11:18:27 PM »

Okay...so hurley gets them from Leonard while in the institution, he plays the lottery with them, is stranded on the island, sees them on and in the hatch, leaves the island, is transported back in time and sends out a transmission with them around or before the time that the serial number is placed on the hatch, that transmission plays and Sam Toomey hears it, tells leonard and the cycle completes.
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Actually now that I read that for the 7th time it makes sense (7th times the charm).
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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2009, 11:22:05 PM »

The numbers were a nice touch this episode....loved it...
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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2009, 11:35:29 PM »

overall i thought this was a great episode.
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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2009, 11:43:44 PM »

Could it possibly be that Hurley first heard the numbers at the point we saw tonight (the serial number for the hatch)?  Could that really be all they are and Hurley himself makes them out to be far more on his own? I know we discussed that it sounded like him on the transmission. Possibly he recorded that during the time skips??? i'm reaching....help

This is where it gets confusing so bear with me. He couldn't have heard the numbers for the first time in 1977 because it hadn't happened for him yet. That is why he knew 42 was coming. We know that he heard them from Leonard. Now where Leonard got them is any one's guess

He can not do this because that would be a paradox

Untrue.  Desmond already created such a paradox by telling Daniel about the principle of time travel, which Daniel then used to tell Desmond about time travel and so on and nothing happened.

And don't give me "it's because you're special" stuff.  Lost has been very good at showing that no paradoxes are caused... even in situations that should cause them.  Desmond is not the exception, the island is.
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