A Few Thoughts On Eloise Hawking

[MangoBingo]

A few thoughts...

When Ben hung-up on Charles, Charles appeared to dial somebody else. Who? Eloise Hawking?

When Ben told Sun to apologise to Desmond, I think it's for engineering his romance with Penny and dragging him into the conflict in the first place... Eloise Hawking was on-Island at the same time as Ben (remember the random other inferring that Charles and Ellie were in charge, last week?) - so they must have been known to each other prior to meeting off-Island at the Lamp-Post... Hawking knew Brother Campbell, whom knew Desmond - and also sold whiskey to Penny for her father...

I've taken so long typing this, that my mind's gone blank! lol

Anyway. I think Ben and Ellie engineered Desmond meeting Penny.

Hawking allowing Ben to return to the Island when Widmore says he's tried for twenty years, is interesting too. Where are her allegiances?...

If it was "Charles and Ellie" whom were joint leaders, why wasn't she banished too? Had she already left at that point? If having secret children off-Island was a big no-no, does this mean that Faraday was raised on the Island? Is Faraday also on-Island as his own younger self in 1977, somewhere in the Others' camp?

[MangoBingo]

p.s. This is all assuming that Ellie is Eloise Hawking.

[CaseyMac]

p.s. This is all assuming that Ellie is Eloise Hawking.

I think that is a pretty safe assumption at this point.

You bring up a good point, I was surprised to NOT see Eloise Hawking in any of the flashbacks this week.

Also, I've been dying to find out what 1977 Faraday has been up to. All we know is that Sawyer said he was "gone" which could mean literally or figuratively. It seems to me he might be the only one that can bring them back to present day.

As for Ben's apology, I'm of the impression that he just apologized for shooting Des and almost shooting Penny and/or Lil'Charlie. Even though I think the bullet got deflected by the groceries and didn't hit him, there is still enough reason to say "I'm sorry." especially when you think you are about to die.

[MangoBingo]

I'd already assumed that Charles was allowing Desmond and Penny to believe that he knew nothing of their whereabouts, although he was aware of their movements 24/7...

The fact that Charles knew that Penny's boat was called Our Mutual Friend when Ben made his pun, confirms that he had intel on their being on that boat (at the very least). If you can locate a magical time-shifting moving Island and send a squad of mercenaries to it, you can probably locate your daughter.

I'm getting off-subject.

Anyway. I think that Eloise Hawking wasn't Charles' sister but his partner. If you think of her as a spurned ex, it makes sense that she'd vengefully assist Ben over him. I also think that Hawking was the person whom Charles referred to, when he told Desmond in the auction house restroom, "It's not me who hates you".

[Mrs Alpert]

...I thought Charles didn't know the name of their boat? That's why he asked Ben what he was talking about?? Sigh. I have to watch it again.

[MangoBingo]

...I thought Charles didn't know the name of their boat? That's why he asked Ben what he was talking about??

Well, looking at Charles' pained expression, I assumed his words were disingenuous.

[Mrs Alpert]

...I thought Charles didn't know the name of their boat? That's why he asked Ben what he was talking about??

Well, looking at Charles' pained expression, I assumed his words were disingenuous.

You know I'll use any excuse to watch again..lol....

What do you think he said to Hawking when he called her, after he and Ben hung up? Maybe he's responsible for something else happening between that time and when 316 took off...

[Novashannon]

I think it is safe to assume that "Ellie" is Eloise Hawking.  she obviously had some sort of high position on the island, and how many Ellies could there be in such a small population.  Also, isn't she Daniel's mother?  And isn't Widmore Daniel's father?  So Widmore and Eloise must have been close.  They are both the right ages to be the Charles and Ellie referrenced.  It makes sense.  Maybe they quarreled when Widmore went with another woman and hproduced Penny?

[LostinLock]

...I thought Charles didn't know the name of their boat? That's why he asked Ben what he was talking about??

Well, looking at Charles' pained expression, I assumed his words were disingenuous.

With all his power I agree he knew.  He is not going to give Ben information. 

[MangoBingo]

What do you think he said to Hawking when he called her, after he and Ben hung up?

I don't know. Threatened her?

Desmond was never going to be shot dead, because we know that "the Island isn't done with him yet". I think that's why Widmore is happy for Penny to be with Desmond as her bodyguard, because he's invulnerable.

Charles knew that Eloise Hawking was Faraday's mother, when he gave Desmond her identity.
Charles knew Eloise Hawking's location, when he gave Desmond her address.
Charles must have known that Ben (or a Ben operative) was in the U.S., after Abaddon was killed.
Charles knew that Ben and "Ellie" were known to each other.

Why would Widmore send Desmond to California, endangering Penny's life, knowing all this? The only possible reason would be to smoke Ben out; but Charles seemed genuinely shocked at the turn of events.

If Ilana is a Widmore operative, maybe Charles forced Eloise into telling him Ben's travel plans, as an "apology" for Ben's attack on his family - and that's how Ilana and Sayid got on Flight 316?

[Mrs Alpert]

Charles knew that Eloise Hawking was Faraday's mother, when he gave Desmond her identity.
Charles knew Eloise Hawking's location, when he gave Desmond her address.
Charles must have known that Ben (or a Ben operative) was in the U.S., after Abaddon was killed.
Charles knew that Ben and "Ellie" were known to each other.

Why would Widmore send Desmond to California, endangering Penny's life, knowing all this? The only possible reason would be to smoke Ben out; but Charles seemed genuinely shocked at the turn of events.

I have a problem with this too, him sending Des to L.A. when he knows that Ben has threatened Penny's life. The only thing I can think is that he didn't know Ben and Hawking were in cahoots. 

[Bostonlost]

The only thing I can think is that he didn't know Ben and Hawking were in cahoots

But are they in cahoots?

I would propose that maybe she is just who she is a guide to the Island, a ferryman, maybe like Charon in greek mythology. She is there to get people or maybe things to the Island (DI Food drops). Even for a price...maybe

Remember why was she so keen on getting Desmond to the Island? Just to push a button?....and Libby is there to give him a boat

You could maybe say that Widmore and Hawking were in cahoots at that time

I don't don't know I get the feeling that she is more freelance then anything else

[MangoBingo]

I don't know I get the feeling that she is more freelance then anything else

If that's the case, what drove her to that position? Considering that she appears to be joint-leader of The Others with Widmore in 1977, what exactly transpired to make her allied with no-one?

[golfstrom]

When Ben told Sun to apologise to Desmond

What I would like to know is a bit side topic to yours but I was wondering why all of a sudden Ben even conceives a thought than Sun can get off the Island.
He was very strict previously on not letting anyone off. Granted, he's not in charge anymore, but still rules are rules. And of course with this little line Ben gave Sun what she wanted the most - hope.

I don't really want to speculate about Eloise Hawking because at this stage she can be anything of any reason. We just haven't seen enough of her yet.

[Bostonlost]

I don't know I get the feeling that she is more freelance then anything else

If that's the case, what drove her to that position? Considering that she appears to be joint-leader of The Others with Widmore in 1977, what exactly transpired to make her allied with no-one?

That would be a good question....