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« Reply #60 on: March 31, 2009, 03:42:53 PM » |
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I also don't think Sayid is naturally a killer. He lived in a place where his father killed their own livestock for food. Killing chickens to eat would seem natural to him, much like it would to US farm kids. NOT a big deal. His supersensitive brother(?) couldn't kill the chicken, so Sayid did it for him; no big deal. It's like us picking up chicken at a grocery store! Some city kid must have written that part!
Sayid became a killer because Kelvin made him one and Kelvin was or later became a dharmamember. Also, I think that scene about killing the chicken was there to show that Sayid has, not only a natural willingness to kill, but a willingness to kill as brutally as he did. Doing this everyday and it being easy for farm people and all that is besides the point. The point is: Sayid's older brother, and most people his age, has a hard time killing, but Sayid himself will do it with his bare hands without blinking an eye. From a narrative stand point, that was the point. |
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« Reply #61 on: March 31, 2009, 05:08:46 PM » |
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ah right. that was my point. Sayid not being totally justified in saying Ben was responsible for genocide. I agree with nomteticus. I think we are on the same page. Ben being responsible for the freighter, well, I could go either way with that. First he tells Michael not to because of other Innocent pple (well, how innocent where some of those pple come on now, all the innocent ones were killed or killed themselves probably) but then keemy kills his daughter and he doesn't care. OR was it everyones time so he knew the island was done with Michael and freighter pple!? hmmm, i wonder. because as we now know, pple (Ben etc ) have ways of knowing things. So, Ben, doing things for the greater good. I think so. sayid being just as bad if not worse, I think so. Richard, just as bad as Ben if not worse too. Richard needs to be looked at a little closer I'm realizing. Could he be on widmores side and is making Ben and Locke believe differently? along with Mrs Hawking? I wonder. But I digress. I think just by writing and reading here today,I have come to some of my own conclusions on which way I am thinking about certain charactors. It's good to get some things decided on anyway. I also just decided recently on my views on the "what happened happened" BS and so I'm happy. (as Mrs Alpert knows )  ^ |
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« Reply #62 on: March 31, 2009, 05:17:55 PM » |
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Lol! Happy is good; frustrated is not so good! Sometimes I think that Richard and Ben have a brotherly relationship. Like, they're stuck with each other. They're in this thing for the same purpose. And sometimes Ben does crazy stuff, and Richard has to roll his eyes and vent about it to other people, but they're related (not really! just working with the metaphor) and have to work together. I tend to trust Richard more because what he's said so far has been corroborated by Christian. So...Richard knows Locke needs to die to bring them back, but Christian wasn't gonna say anything about it....but when Locke brought it up, Christian agreed with Richard. Unlike with Jacob, when Ben couldn't hear him, and Jacob asked Locke to help him.  Also, snarky and mysterious as he is, Richard has tended to be less quick to draw, and more willing to give people the benefit of the doubt and talk things through. I feel like he wants to know things...Locke showed up in the middle of the camp and Richard sat down with him instead of shooting him outright. What would Ben have done? (He might have to check in his Others notebook  ) So it isn't all about looks! lol! |
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« Reply #63 on: March 31, 2009, 05:33:05 PM » |
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Lol! Happy is good; frustrated is not so good! Sometimes I think that Richard and Ben have a brotherly relationship. Like, they're stuck with each other. They're in this thing for the same purpose. And sometimes Ben does crazy stuff, and Richard has to roll his eyes and vent about it to other people, but they're related (not really! just working with the metaphor) and have to work together. I tend to trust Richard more because what he's said so far has been corroborated by Christian. So...Richard knows Locke needs to die to bring them back, but Christian wasn't gonna say anything about it....but when Locke brought it up, Christian agreed with Richard. Unlike with Jacob, when Ben couldn't hear him, and Jacob asked Locke to help him. Also, snarky and mysterious as he is, Richard has tended to be less quick to draw, and more willing to give people the benefit of the doubt and talk things through. I feel like he wants to know things...Locke showed up in the middle of the camp and Richard sat down with him instead of shooting him outright. What would Ben have done? (He might have to check in his Others notebook ) So it isn't all about looks! lol! lol , You know I know that! Your too intelligent to like someone just because they are cute. I think Richard is behind the scenes so it's not in your face so we tend to either forget the stuff he did or not even realize it after a while. He looks more understanding and acts more understanding. Maybe worse then someone who is acting like Ben. a wolf in sheep's clothing. Richard could be for Widmore and we just don't know it yet. I don't even know, just saying. |
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« Reply #64 on: March 31, 2009, 05:43:04 PM » |
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Oh no, you're totally right. And if Richard is the real man behind the curtain...wow! That would be awesome. If he is working for Widmore? ...lol...all i can picture is him grabbing the gun out of Widmore's hands. He's just as annoyed with young Charles as he is with Ben! Always the eyes rolling in that sexy head of his... *ahem* ANYway... I spoiled myself with knowing whether or not Richard will appear in upcoming episodes. I know! I know! I'm supposed to be spoiler-free! But I can't live the rest of the season without him! Even if he just appears and looks disapprovingly and doesn't give any answers until Season 6...that's fine with me! I just had to know, so I could look forward to it, if he does appear.  But I can't wait for answers about him. Seriously. |
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« Reply #65 on: March 31, 2009, 05:51:57 PM » |
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gasp! You cheater!  We better start to get answers soon or I'm going to .... well, i don't know what I'm going to do but I'm going to do something! Darn it! lol. Yeah, well moving along, I am starting to get the feeling already that I am going to be disappointed with tomorrows episode for the simple fact that from the coming attractions, we know what/where and with who it is going to be focused on. I mean, come on people, where is Dan, Locke and Richard. (um and Rose and Bernard?? lol) Ummm hello, we need more about that and less about jack crying. Sorry about the ranting. Maybe I should stay off the boards today lol  |
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« Reply #66 on: March 31, 2009, 06:02:57 PM » |
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Nah, you're just fine where you are, Mrs H. Besides, everybody's antsy for this episode. I can't wait to see who the focus of it is! Maybe Jack will stop crying soon? Though he is looking kinda sickly lately. Maybe he just needs to eat more of Hurley's delicious waffles and other breakfast goodies. |
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« Reply #67 on: March 31, 2009, 06:03:43 PM » |
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I've often wondered what would have happened if like Ben or Richard just would have sat down with say Jack and just explained in simple broad strokes what is going on, why they are taking people and so on, it would have saved a lot of dead people, but we would have lost the drama.
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« Reply #68 on: March 31, 2009, 06:06:42 PM » |
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Yes, exactly! Maybe then they would have been more cooperative. and they wouldn't have had to go baaaaack. I'm feeling a little better now. |
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« Reply #69 on: March 31, 2009, 06:08:48 PM » |
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I've often wondered what would have happened if like Ben or Richard just would have sat down with say Jack and just explained in simple broad strokes what is going on, why they are taking people and so on, it would have saved a lot of dead people, but we would have lost the drama.
I'm thinking, if Ben lives from his gunshot-wound-to-the-chest, he will make it his mission in life to make life as difficult as possible for the Losties he knows in 2004. And since he's the leader, chances are he makes sure his people keep it as mysterious as possible too. Ben is just--once again--out for revenge. |
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« Reply #70 on: March 31, 2009, 09:17:23 PM » |
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OK. Let's do some math.
People/entities responsible for Purge: Jacob(?), Richard, Ben, DHARMA (they couldn't get along), maybe some of the Losties
People/entities responsible for Freighter blow-up: Widmore, Keamy, Ben
Let's assume each 'entity' has an equal responsibility. That means Ben is 20% responsible for the purge and 33% for the freightercaust.
That means Ben can be found marginally guilty for genocide - 53%. But what if the proportions change?
Anyway, Ben was innocent as a kid but got shot. This fact corroborated with the father issues will probably make him turn evil. He will probably enjoy torturing the losties when they come to the island.
Sayid was also innocent in relation to DHARMA. He did nothing to them. He got persecuted, escaped, and shot Ben. From now on he will be haunted down by DHARMA. I'm guessing Sawyer will also change his attitude towards him.
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« Reply #71 on: March 31, 2009, 10:00:59 PM » |
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nomteticus, I don't know if you were meaning to be funny, but I love that you did math to try to figure this stuff out! I love that someone can do math to try to figure this stuff out. |
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« Reply #72 on: March 31, 2009, 10:12:02 PM » |
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you didn't put Widmore down as a possibility for the cause of the purge, he said Ben tricked him out of his leadership and Ben said that he wasn't the leader during the purge.
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« Reply #73 on: April 01, 2009, 12:22:29 AM » |
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Yes, you are right Hyper. and also, I would consider Widmore partly responsible for the death of the freighter people also! simply because he sent them there knowing what could happen. and do you think He cared!?
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« Reply #74 on: April 01, 2009, 07:32:42 AM » |
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So did I miss the reason Sayid suddenly hated and didn't trust Ben? I didn't understand that part at all. Based on what they showed this episode, Sayid worked for Ben, killed some people. Ben said he was finished but Sayid wanted to kill more people. Ben came back later, and told Sayid to look out for Hurley and kill again, and somehow that leads to Sayid hating Ben? I was expecting him to find out Ben was involved in killing Nadia or something. That kind of ruined me buying into Sayid's whole motivation for shooting young Ben.
And something just popped in my head. Could Ben really have had a hand in killing Nadia? He was on the island when Sayid left and then teleported off and skipped a few months when Nadia was already dead.
I definitely think Ben had Nadia killed to get Sayid on his side and have him take out all the people associated with Widmore. I think we may find out that Sayid was the one who killed Abbadon, too, unless Ben did that one himself. So maybe there will be more to come and we'll see a future scene that shows why he went from helping Ben to hating him. Although, I'd think if he knew Ben had a hand in Nadia's death, I don't think there would have been anything that would have stopped him from killing him. |
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