Why Did It Turn To Day Outside the Plane After the Flash?

[jamesl]

...you must remember that when locke fixed the wheel, he shot to 2007/8 from 2004/5

I aksed on the previous page if we know for sure that Locke was in 2004/5

when he started down the well, the Orchid didn't exist, so it wasn't 2004
then half way down there was a flash which put Sawyer, Jin and the other in statue time and filled the well, this flash caused Locke to fall down and break his leg

then Locke turns the wheel which puts the Losties in 1974 and Locke in 2007

that was the last flash I remember, so that one flash had two affects,
1: put the Losties in the past
2: transport Locke to 2007 to Tunsia

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also at the point the he turned the wheel, the well was not even built yet, and the statue was complete. So to me it was probably ancient times.

[SQUIRT199]

I really hate text for getting points across, its much easier to speak to a person and immediately know what they are saying, when typing (me at least) you cant quite place in words the point you are trying to make.
But its fun as hell trying and I don't think I could get as many ideas, theories, or assumptions of where the writers are going with this in my daily life.

As for this little conversation, Bob I think I see where you are going with your theory but I still don't quite understand it completely and I don't think I have been able to textualize my thoughts correctly.

when I say 2004 when john fixed the wheel, thats because I assume before penny found the 6? (how long was it after Ben had turned the wheel?  was it a few hours, days, I also realize this is an irrelevant question because they were constantly shifting from one time to another, but they did age, Locke's bullet wound had time to heal, somewhat. This is another thread entirely) There was a statue present just before Locke "fixed" the wheel.
 I do realize the island was oh say 1000 years ago. So lets say he jumped from year 1004 when he turned the wheel and the 5 (saw/dan/jin/mil/ju) went to 1977.

If at that point the island stopped skipping in time (Mrs. Hawking said it is always moving, did she mean in time or around earth? another thread. I'm assuming the island is not moving) and then john went to the desert and met widmore in 2007-8?
 

Then flight 316 boards in LA in 2008, at least a week if not more since john has been back and committed suicide.

flight 316 departs, a couple hours into the flight it goes down, 2008. Some of the passengers go to 1977 and some go to present time (do we know its present time to the flight 316 survivors or did they also go through time? One more thread)

I just cant seem to grasp how Locke's turning of the wheel in 1004 (2004 whatever) affected flight 316 in 2008, thats why I say its a few years since the time Locke turns the wheel and flight 316 takes off.


I have enjoyed this thread, some great theories bouncing around.

[jamesl]

Then flight 316 boards in LA in 2008, at least a week if not more since john has been back and committed suicide.

as you say, another thread, but I'm still confused when Jack had his "breakdown", grew a beard and became addicted to drugs

it happened after he met locke, right ? but that sure doesn't seem to fit in with when Jack met Been and everyone getting on the plane

unless I'm really missing something

[BobBX542]

I really hate text for getting points across, its much easier to speak to a person and immediately know what they are saying, when typing (me at least) you cant quite place in words the point you are trying to make.
But its fun as hell trying and I don't think I could get as many ideas, theories, or assumptions of where the writers are going with this in my daily life.

As for this little conversation, Bob I think I see where you are going with your theory but I still don't quite understand it completely and I don't think I have been able to textualize my thoughts correctly.

when I say 2004 when john fixed the wheel, thats because I assume before penny found the 6? (how long was it after Ben had turned the wheel?  was it a few hours, days, I also realize this is an irrelevant question because they were constantly shifting from one time to another, but they did age, Locke's bullet wound had time to heal, somewhat. This is another thread entirely) There was a statue present just before Locke "fixed" the wheel.
 I do realize the island was oh say 1000 years ago. So lets say he jumped from year 1004 when he turned the wheel and the 5 (saw/dan/jin/mil/ju) went to 1977.

If at that point the island stopped skipping in time (Mrs. Hawking said it is always moving, did she mean in time or around earth? another thread. I'm assuming the island is not moving) and then john went to the desert and met widmore in 2007-8?
 

Then flight 316 boards in LA in 2008, at least a week if not more since john has been back and committed suicide.

flight 316 departs, a couple hours into the flight it goes down, 2008. Some of the passengers go to 1977 and some go to present time (do we know its present time to the flight 316 survivors or did they also go through time? One more thread)

I just cant seem to grasp how Locke's turning of the wheel in 1004 (2004 whatever) affected flight 316 in 2008, thats why I say its a few years since the time Locke turns the wheel and flight 316 takes off.


I have enjoyed this thread, some great theories bouncing around.

Okay, I see where the confusion is here...sorta. Well, I see where you're getting the year from, kinda. You're saying that when I say "statue time period" and you say "1004" those are the same times, no?? As far as why I think Locke's wheel turning is what affected the Ajira flight, well, the simplest way to put it is that whatever the energy is that can make them time travel can go through the barriers of time and space, and as Ajira 316 passed through the barrier around the island, that's what made Jack and crew go to 1977. As for the time difference between when Locke came to see Jack and when Locke killed himself, well, it's obviously waaaaaay more than a week.

[SQUIRT199]

It seemed to me that by the time he spoke to locke in the hospital he had already started to spiral out of control,  If you watch that scene again, he is starting to grow a beard (I do not attempt to say with absolute certainty just how long John was in 2007/2008 but that it was at least a week, most likely more, I make the assumption that it is recently after the time he saw his father in the office, (remember the smoke detector and then he asks that doc for a prescription?)

So then he gets on a flight as described by Ben, and a few more according to his conversation with kate at the airport about using the golden ticket.

But I do think that after he spoke to John was the first time he tried to get back to the island using the golden passes.

[SQUIRT199]

I really hate text for getting points across, its much easier to speak to a person and immediately know what they are saying, when typing (me at least) you cant quite place in words the point you are trying to make.
But its fun as hell trying and I don't think I could get as many ideas, theories, or assumptions of where the writers are going with this in my daily life.

As for this little conversation, Bob I think I see where you are going with your theory but I still don't quite understand it completely and I don't think I have been able to textualize my thoughts correctly.

when I say 2004 when john fixed the wheel, thats because I assume before penny found the 6? (how long was it after Ben had turned the wheel?  was it a few hours, days, I also realize this is an irrelevant question because they were constantly shifting from one time to another, but they did age, Locke's bullet wound had time to heal, somewhat. This is another thread entirely) There was a statue present just before Locke "fixed" the wheel.
 I do realize the island was oh say 1000 years ago. So lets say he jumped from year 1004 when he turned the wheel and the 5 (saw/dan/jin/mil/ju) went to 1977.

If at that point the island stopped skipping in time (Mrs. Hawking said it is always moving, did she mean in time or around earth? another thread. I'm assuming the island is not moving) and then john went to the desert and met widmore in 2007-8?
 

Then flight 316 boards in LA in 2008, at least a week if not more since john has been back and committed suicide.

flight 316 departs, a couple hours into the flight it goes down, 2008. Some of the passengers go to 1977 and some go to present time (do we know its present time to the flight 316 survivors or did they also go through time? One more thread)

I just cant seem to grasp how Locke's turning of the wheel in 1004 (2004 whatever) affected flight 316 in 2008, thats why I say its a few years since the time Locke turns the wheel and flight 316 takes off.


I have enjoyed this thread, some great theories bouncing around.

Okay, I see where the confusion is here...sorta. Well, I see where you're getting the year from, kinda. You're saying that when I say "statue time period" and you say "1004" those are the same times, no?? As far as why I think Locke's wheel turning is what affected the Ajira flight, well, the simplest way to put it is that whatever the energy is that can make them time travel can go through the barriers of time and space, and as Ajira 316 passed through the barrier around the island, that's what made Jack and crew go to 1977. As for the time difference between when Locke came to see Jack and when Locke killed himself, well, it's obviously waaaaaay more than a week.

I could see that if they had bounced to 1974, remember sawyer and co. have been on the island post shifts, for three years, so why would they have reapeared three years later in 77? why not 74 or 83 or 2004?

[BobBX542]

I could see that if they had bounced to 1974, remember sawyer and co. have been on the island post shifts, for three years, so why would they have reapeared three years later in 77? why not 74 or 83 or 2004?

Are you asking this as a critique of my theory, or are you just asking?? Because regardless, the answer is the same, I have no idea.

[SQUIRT199]

I could see that if they had bounced to 1974, remember sawyer and co. have been on the island post shifts, for three years, so why would they have reapeared three years later in 77? why not 74 or 83 or 2004?

Are you asking this as a critique of my theory, or are you just asking?? Because regardless, the answer is the same, I have no idea.

As a critique,   I just dont think that locke's fixing te wheel had any impact on the crash of Ajira 316.

[BobBX542]

I could see that if they had bounced to 1974, remember sawyer and co. have been on the island post shifts, for three years, so why would they have reapeared three years later in 77? why not 74 or 83 or 2004?

Are you asking this as a critique of my theory, or are you just asking?? Because regardless, the answer is the same, I have no idea.

As a critique,   I just dont think that locke's fixing te wheel had any impact on the crash of Ajira 316.

Well, that's hardly fair. I'm not the writer on the show. I didn't pick the year 1977. If somehow my theory was affecting the show, instead of the show affecting my theory, then sure, feel free to ask, but honestly, how do you expect me to even be able to answer that at all??

[SQUIRT199]

No I'm sorry I didnt mean to infer that you would have an answer, just trying to rationalize your theory,

Im not as against your theory now as in the beginning but it would have made more sense (if your theory is correct) for them to have jumped to 74 or 1004 for that matter.

[RM]

I don't at all agree that Locke's resetting the FDW had any connection to the Ajira 316 crash.

But SQUIRT199's tagline has me thinking that maybe Ben's turning FDW could have "caused" it.  Ben's turn caused the Island and the time-jumpers to be unstuck.  Did Locke jump to the time when Yemi's plane crashed, or did the Island also jump to the time and place so as to be in the path of Yemi's plane, thus "causing" the crash?  Under that scenario, Mrs. Hawking is mapping out all of the time/place locations of the Island as a result of Ben's turn.  She calculates that, among all of the Island's meanderings through time and space, it will intersect with 2008 along the flight path of Ajira 316 on whatever day they book the flight.

Oceanic 815, Farday's missile, Lapidus' helicopter, Desmond's boat, all pass through the barrier of the Island when it is fixed in time/place.  Ajira 316 passes through the barrier of the Island while it is still in its time/space-jumping mode as a result of Ben's turning the FDW.  So, from the Island's perspective, you could say that the Ajira 316 crash occurred before Locke reset the FDW.

[BobBX542]

No I'm sorry I didnt mean to infer that you would have an answer, just trying to rationalize your theory,

Im not as against your theory now as in the beginning but it would have made more sense (if your theory is correct) for them to have jumped to 74 or 1004 for that matter.

Okay, sorry to have gone off the handle. I was trying to explain to someone else and they weren't getting what I was saying either, so that on top of you not "getting" it, just made me lose my cool for a second there.

I don't at all agree that Locke's resetting the FDW had any connection to the Ajira 316 crash.

But SQUIRT199's tagline has me thinking that maybe Ben's turning FDW could have "caused" it.  Ben's turn caused the Island and the time-jumpers to be unstuck.  Did Locke jump to the time when Yemi's plane crashed, or did the Island also jump to the time and place so as to be in the path of Yemi's plane, thus "causing" the crash?  Under that scenario, Mrs. Hawking is mapping out all of the time/place locations of the Island as a result of Ben's turn.  She calculates that, among all of the Island's meanderings through time and space, it will intersect with 2008 along the flight path of Ajira 316 on whatever day they book the flight.

Oceanic 815, Farday's missile, Lapidus' helicopter, Desmond's boat, all pass through the barrier of the Island when it is fixed in time/place.  Ajira 316 passes through the barrier of the Island while it is still in its time/space-jumping mode as a result of Ben's turning the FDW.  So, from the Island's perspective, you could say that the Ajira 316 crash occurred before Locke reset the FDW.

Okay, I see what you're thinking. But what do you think caused the flash on the Ajira flight right before it crashed??