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Offline Skix34

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The "Incident"
« on: March 05, 2009, 01:24:36 PM »
When does the "incident" happen, maybe our 06 are brought back to the 70's for a reason.
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Re: The "Incident"
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2009, 01:58:03 PM »
Maybe the O6 will cause the incident...  Maybe Daniel causes it and that is why they create the Swan Station...

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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2009, 01:59:23 PM »
Maybe the O6 will cause the incident...

I agree. Getting the O6 to their "proper" time probably causes the incident as the Swan was constructed to keep the forces of the island in check - it's a good cover

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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2009, 02:00:33 PM »
Maybe so that Jack can have a son and Kate doesn't have to die or leave.

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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2009, 02:09:45 PM »
Hmmm . . . so just to clarify, has it officially been said that nothing that happens while the losties are in the past can change what has already happened??  In my opinion, if that info came from Ben or anyone else in his camp, I am willing to bet that could be another thing he may have been lying about.  This is what I think could happen . . . .  

Watching last night's episode, Alpert is clearly on the opposite side of the fence of Dharma people.  At this point in time, should Ben be old enough to orchestrate the purge??  If so, then I believe that the losties find out that Dharma weren't the bad ones after all, it was Ben's group and since Sawyer, Juliet, etc. have become a part of Dharma, the war will then become the losties and Dharma(Widmore) vs. Ben and his others.  They will then prevent the purge from happening to the Dharma people, take out Alpert and all of Ben's group thus changing the course of history and putting them back in their original time.  Now, where this leaves Locke, I don't know.  If he is supposed to take over as the leader of the island or whatever, Ben is trying hardcore to recruit him for their motivations and currently he believes that Ben, Alpert and his group are the ones that he trusts and needs to be working with, but I think later in the series that will also create a conflict and come to a head.  Does that make sense?  

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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2009, 02:14:09 PM »
Hmmm . . . so just to clarify, has it officially been said that nothing that happens while the losties are in the past can change what has already happened??  In my opinion, if that info came from Ben or anyone else in his camp, I am willing to bet that could be another thing he may have been lying about.  This is what I think could happen . . . .  

Watching last night's episode, Alpert is clearly on the opposite side of the fence of Dharma people.  At this point in time, should Ben be old enough to orchestrate the purge??  If so, then I believe that the losties find out that Dharma weren't the bad ones after all, it was Ben's group and since Sawyer, Juliet, etc. have become a part of Dharma, the war will then become the losties and Dharma(Widmore) vs. Ben and his others.  They will then prevent the purge from happening to the Dharma people, take out Alpert and all of Ben's group thus changing the course of history and putting them back in their original time.  Now, where this leaves Locke, I don't know.  If he is supposed to take over as the leader of the island or whatever, Ben is trying hardcore to recruit him for their motivations and currently he believes that Ben, Alpert and his group are the ones that he trusts and needs to be working with, but I think later in the series that will also create a conflict and come to a head.  Does that make sense?  
Yes, it has been stated. They cannot change anything because then everything we've seen is a huge lie and no one will like the show.

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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2009, 02:19:25 PM »
Hmmm . . . so just to clarify, has it officially been said that nothing that happens while the losties are in the past can change what has already happened??  In my opinion, if that info came from Ben or anyone else in his camp, I am willing to bet that could be another thing he may have been lying about.  This is what I think could happen . . . .  

Watching last night's episode, Alpert is clearly on the opposite side of the fence of Dharma people.  At this point in time, should Ben be old enough to orchestrate the purge??  If so, then I believe that the losties find out that Dharma weren't the bad ones after all, it was Ben's group and since Sawyer, Juliet, etc. have become a part of Dharma, the war will then become the losties and Dharma(Widmore) vs. Ben and his others.  They will then prevent the purge from happening to the Dharma people, take out Alpert and all of Ben's group thus changing the course of history and putting them back in their original time.  Now, where this leaves Locke, I don't know.  If he is supposed to take over as the leader of the island or whatever, Ben is trying hardcore to recruit him for their motivations and currently he believes that Ben, Alpert and his group are the ones that he trusts and needs to be working with, but I think later in the series that will also create a conflict and come to a head.  Does that make sense?  
Yes, it has been stated. They cannot change anything because then everything we've seen is a huge lie and no one will like the show.

But WHO stated it??  I cannot remember . . and saying that no one will like the show I think is a bit of a stretch, don't you think??  If it all ends logically and not as a "this was all a dream" sequence, I think it could be completely feasible.  I have been a fan since day 1 and I personally wouldn't be disappointed at that type of turn of events

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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2009, 02:23:14 PM »
Hmmm . . . so just to clarify, has it officially been said that nothing that happens while the losties are in the past can change what has already happened??  In my opinion, if that info came from Ben or anyone else in his camp, I am willing to bet that could be another thing he may have been lying about.  This is what I think could happen . . . .  

Watching last night's episode, Alpert is clearly on the opposite side of the fence of Dharma people.  At this point in time, should Ben be old enough to orchestrate the purge??  If so, then I believe that the losties find out that Dharma weren't the bad ones after all, it was Ben's group and since Sawyer, Juliet, etc. have become a part of Dharma, the war will then become the losties and Dharma(Widmore) vs. Ben and his others.  They will then prevent the purge from happening to the Dharma people, take out Alpert and all of Ben's group thus changing the course of history and putting them back in their original time.  Now, where this leaves Locke, I don't know.  If he is supposed to take over as the leader of the island or whatever, Ben is trying hardcore to recruit him for their motivations and currently he believes that Ben, Alpert and his group are the ones that he trusts and needs to be working with, but I think later in the series that will also create a conflict and come to a head.  Does that make sense?  
Yes, it has been stated. They cannot change anything because then everything we've seen is a huge lie and no one will like the show.

I thought last night that things changed.  They couldn't change the past while they were skipping but since they stopped, this is their new reality so whatever they do happens.  Didn't Daniel confirm that when they asked about stepping in to help the pregnant lady and they shot the 2 Others?

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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2009, 02:26:15 PM »
Hmmm . . . so just to clarify, has it officially been said that nothing that happens while the losties are in the past can change what has already happened??  In my opinion, if that info came from Ben or anyone else in his camp, I am willing to bet that could be another thing he may have been lying about.  This is what I think could happen . . . .  

Watching last night's episode, Alpert is clearly on the opposite side of the fence of Dharma people.  At this point in time, should Ben be old enough to orchestrate the purge??  If so, then I believe that the losties find out that Dharma weren't the bad ones after all, it was Ben's group and since Sawyer, Juliet, etc. have become a part of Dharma, the war will then become the losties and Dharma(Widmore) vs. Ben and his others.  They will then prevent the purge from happening to the Dharma people, take out Alpert and all of Ben's group thus changing the course of history and putting them back in their original time.  Now, where this leaves Locke, I don't know.  If he is supposed to take over as the leader of the island or whatever, Ben is trying hardcore to recruit him for their motivations and currently he believes that Ben, Alpert and his group are the ones that he trusts and needs to be working with, but I think later in the series that will also create a conflict and come to a head.  Does that make sense?  
Yes, it has been stated. They cannot change anything because then everything we've seen is a huge lie and no one will like the show.

I thought last night that things changed.  They couldn't change the past while they were skipping but since they stopped, this is their new reality so whatever they do happens.  Didn't Daniel confirm that when they asked about stepping in to help the pregnant lady and they shot the 2 Others?
No, he was saying that they can't change anything by doing anything. Trying to avoid everything would be a pointless waste of time. Time has a way of course correcting according to Ms. Hawking and Daniel.

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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2009, 02:28:26 PM »
Ben is only a child (or should be) at this time.  The purge would happen later. 

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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2009, 02:44:44 PM »
I wonder if we will ever find out what the "incident" was???  ???

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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2009, 05:43:20 PM »
I wonder if we will ever find out what the "incident" was???  ???
I'm sure we will. The question is when.

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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2009, 05:46:48 PM »
Daniel told them they could not change anything in the past.  The reasoning is that anything that happened before they were born has already happened, so whatever they do, they already had done in their time.  Whatever they do ni the past is already part of history.

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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2009, 06:46:56 PM »
So was the purge not "the incident"?  I guess I was thinking it was, and the purge was in 1992.  Do we know for sure that the incident is something else?

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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2009, 07:33:23 PM »
Hmmm . . . so just to clarify, has it officially been said that nothing that happens while the losties are in the past can change what has already happened??  In my opinion, if that info came from Ben or anyone else in his camp, I am willing to bet that could be another thing he may have been lying about.
Yes, it has been stated. They cannot change anything because then everything we've seen is a huge lie and no one will like the show.

I thought last night that things changed.  They couldn't change the past while they were skipping but since they stopped, this is their new reality so whatever they do happens.  Didn't Daniel confirm that when they asked about stepping in to help the pregnant lady and they shot the 2 Others?

No, he was saying that they can't change anything by doing anything. Trying to avoid everything would be a pointless waste of time. Time has a way of course correcting according to Ms. Hawking and Daniel.

I've posted this elsewhere, but I really do think it needs reiterating...

"Whatever happened, happened", is basically a meaningless statement; it neither confirms nor denies that the past can be changed.

If you don't interact to make changes in the past (after travelling from the future), then whatever happened, happened.

If you do interact to make changes in the past (after travelling from the future), then whatever happened, happened.

Maybe the O6 will cause the incident...  Maybe Daniel causes it and that is why they create the Swan Station...

Maybe Sawyer's crew arriving in 1977 is the Incident.