John Locke Special???

[LostinLock]

I would feel better about Locke if he was consistent with his faith in the island. He loses his faith or is talk out of it so easily.

Mmm so true especially when he gave up and was going to committ suicide.  Again Richard said he would have to die, not how when or why just that he would.  John has not followed what he is suppose to do, for some odd reason and allowing himself trials and tribulations.

Okay, regarding a comment about Desmond, if Desmond was not there for four years, like Eloise told him he needed to be there, then Daniel could have not knocked on the door to tell him to go see his Mother.


As for parentage, hmmm, we know it can't be Widmore, and for Richard I am not sure, the only person that might fit the profile is Jack's Grandad.  He is the eldest so far that could possibly be Locke's dad.

Or whomever the Jacob figure was at that time. 

PS didn't read back much further than this current page, so if it appears that I clipped something I didn't just great minds

[Novashannon]

Sure.  I mean, there she stands in the lamppost - her theory works and helps our heroes return to the island.  What's the problem with her?

Anyway, what is your suspicion about Locke's parentage? 

I wonder if the con man and the woman John believes to be his parents really are.

[The_Hatch_Monkey]

John isn't himself when he is off the island.

and, IMHO, I think that every Lostie is the best version on themselves when they are on the island...
Off the island they are completely different people.

I wanted to hug John after the last episode---that was a surreal feeling.

Someone posted a thread about the Losties being different off the island...wish I could point you in the direction of that thread since it should get a lot of attention.

[WhatThe]

Sure.  I mean, there she stands in the lamppost - her theory works and helps our heroes return to the island.  What's the problem with her?

Anyway, what is your suspicion about Locke's parentage? 

I wonder if the con man and the woman John believes to be his parents really are.

Well, the guy who did the digging around for Locke said the woman's DNA matched Locke's DNA...and we saw the flashback of Locke's birth which pretty much confirmed that the same woman was Locke's mother.

As for his real father, that hasn't been presented in the same manner. But I'd find it hard to believe that the con man Sawyer would pick some random fool out of the crowd to con into giving up his kidney. It makes more medical sense and fits reality better if they were related.

[Novashannon]

Sure.  I mean, there she stands in the lamppost - her theory works and helps our heroes return to the island.  What's the problem with her?

Anyway, what is your suspicion about Locke's parentage? 

I wonder if the con man and the woman John believes to be his parents really are.

Well, the guy who did the digging around for Locke said the woman's DNA matched Locke's DNA...and we saw the flashback of Locke's birth which pretty much confirmed that the same woman was Locke's mother.

As for his real father, that hasn't been presented in the same manner. But I'd find it hard to believe that the con man Sawyer would pick some random fool out of the crowd to con into giving up his kidney. It makes more medical sense and fits reality better if they were related.

I didn't remember the DNAmatching, although Widomre could pay the guy to give misinformation.

[WhatThe]

Sure.  I mean, there she stands in the lamppost - her theory works and helps our heroes return to the island.  What's the problem with her?

Anyway, what is your suspicion about Locke's parentage? 

I wonder if the con man and the woman John believes to be his parents really are.

Well, the guy who did the digging around for Locke said the woman's DNA matched Locke's DNA...and we saw the flashback of Locke's birth which pretty much confirmed that the same woman was Locke's mother.

As for his real father, that hasn't been presented in the same manner. But I'd find it hard to believe that the con man Sawyer would pick some random fool out of the crowd to con into giving up his kidney. It makes more medical sense and fits reality better if they were related.

I didn't remember the DNAmatching, although Widomre could pay the guy to give misinformation.

Yeah, but that would mean Widmore would somehow want Locke to be tricked into giving up his kidney lol. I don't see the connection there.

[Jugdish]

Because Widmore knew Ben was going to shoot locke later. He had a better chance of survival without a kidney.

I was kidding about this.

[WhatThe]

Because Widmore knew Ben was going to shoot locke later. He had a better chance of survival without a kidney.

I was kidding about this.

LOL!!!

[lostfromthestart]

I said this on Juggy's front page article:

Both Ben and Chuckie tell Locke that he is special and that the island needs him. Why? What do they know but refuse to tell us, to this point? I'll tell you why: At some point in time when both Ben and Chuckie are still on the island, Locke will tame Smokey or do some act that saves the island (think throw yourself in the volcano type stuff) that no one else will do. In other words, sacrifice himself for the sake of the island. They both know he is needed for this task and must live to go back to this time period to perform it. Both Ben and Chuckie want him to succeed so they, individually, can be there to take charge and run things anew.

[Luna C]

ooohh.....I think Lost from the start may have just nailed it.

Excellent theory. No one else loves the island like Locke does. He wouldn't hesitate to be the "virgin in the volcano" to save everyone.

[vickilynn]

But, can Locke go back in time do make a sacrifice of this nature? I thought one of the rules is that he can't do that.

[LostinLock]

I said this on Juggy's front page article:

Both Ben and Chuckie tell Locke that he is special and that the island needs him. Why? What do they know but refuse to tell us, to this point? I'll tell you why: At some point in time when both Ben and Chuckie are still on the island, Locke will tame Smokey or do some act that saves the island (think throw yourself in the volcano type stuff) that no one else will do. In other words, sacrifice himself for the sake of the island. They both know he is needed for this task and must live to go back to this time period to perform it. Both Ben and Chuckie want him to succeed so they, individually, can be there to take charge and run things anew.

But he just sacrificed himself for the island by leaving it.  Funny how neither Charles or Ben seem to know or discuss Christian nor has Locke said anything about him to anyone but Jack.  He refers to Richard only.

Error in scripting or

[Mrs Alpert]

...but Widmore says that the last time he saw Locke, he was 17. If Locke does go back in time to save the island, Widmore never sees him. And if he saves the island, and Ben knows, why would Ben try to kill him?

I think Ben would do something for the island that no one else wants to do...I think he's been doing all the jobs nobody else wants to do.

[Laklost]

Thanks for writing that front page article, Jug.  I really do think Locke is like so many of history's great searchers - we may see them as constantly confident and sure, but behind the scenes they are full of failings, faltering and misdirection.  They are defined not by what they bring to the table - but by how WHAT THEY WORSHIP is greater than them.  The island is the great thing in the Lost world.  John Locke is special because he is more attuned to it than anyone - even though we have watched him blow it so many times.

It's just a great topic to think about.  I've been feeding on it since I watched the episode.

[themaven]

I don't really believe the con-man was Locke's real dad.. The kidney match does lend to a relationship.. but he could just as well be an uncle posing as a father. Another thought is he was a really good con who searched medical files and found him.. who knows.
My point is, we all agree that Christian is an integral part of the Island, and obviously Jack, Claire and Aaron as decendents of him are most likely equally important to the story... Therefore I'm thinking Christian or even the newly revealed "Ray" shepard may have been father to Locke as well..
In the end I really think it's going to come down to a cain and abel type thing between Jack and John.

Cain and Abel were the first and second sons of Adam and Eve(cave couple?) in the religions of Christianity, Islam and Judaism.[1] Their story is told in Genesis 4:1-16 and the Qur'an at 5:26-32. In all versions, Cain, a farmer,[2] commits the first murder by killing his brother Abel, a shepherd(Hmm.. coincidence?),[3] after God[4] rejects Cain's sacrifice but accepts Abel's