Returning to the island....two different scenes...did you notice?

[The_Hatch_Monkey]

In the beginning we see Jack waking up...hearing Hurley's calls for help, jumping into the water to save him--and then rushing over to Kate.

Later in the episode...we see the same scene play out again--but it doesn't happen the same.  Did anyone else catch that?  The diologue is different.  I suggest you go back and watch it again if you didn't catch it the first time around.

I'm watching it again right now--so I'll type it out for you guys.

First Time:

Hurley: "Help, anyone! *other calls for help*Jack, help!"
(Jack runs through jungle, jumps off cliff into water)
Jack: "It's okay, it's okay....you can stand."
Hurley: "Oh--Oh my god, it really happened."
(Camera pans to Kate lying on the rocks.)
Jack: "Kate. (Jack swims over to her) Kate, Kate can you hear me?"
(Kate opens her eyes)
Kate: "Jack?"
Jack: "Are you okay?"
Kate: "Are we?"
Jack: "Yeah.  We're back."
Kate: "What happened?"
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Second time:

Hurley: "Help!  Anyone, help!"
(The scene cuts to Jack jumping into the water)
Hurley: "Oh---"
(Camera pans to Kate lying on the rocks.)
Jack: "Kate.  (swims over to her) Kate?"
(Kate opens her eyes)
Kate: "What happened?"
Jack: "Can you get up?"
...conversation continues as we see the rest of the scene.

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Now, before some of you say--"The scene was just cut down to save time, and as not to repeat everything we saw at the beginning of the episode".....

I ask you.....

Watch again...watch the scene at the beginning, and the one toward the end a couple of times.

I do realize that it is cut down.  We don't see Jack running through the jungle the second time.  I would explain more about where to pay attention--but you all are smart; I don't think I need to do that!


Anyway, let me know what you think!!!

[catchit]

The scene was just cut down to save time, and as not to repeat everything we saw at the beginning of the episode

[The_Hatch_Monkey]

The scene was just cut down to save time, and as not to repeat everything we saw at the beginning of the episode

Wow....

[Madam P]

Sorry, I think I have to agree... the scene was just cut down to avoid repeats.  Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Unless... I didn't see anything like what you're mentioning about 'where to pay attention' -- maybe I'm just dense?  If you point it out, maybe I'll revise my opinion!   

[hefalumps]

It's interesting you point that out - did anyone else notice that the scene in the church that ended "This Place is Death", which was reshown at the beginning of "316", was also ever so slightly different when it was re-shown for "316." I don't know if the dialogue was different, but I'm pretty certain where Eloise was standing and other minor details were slightly different.

It's probably nothing - but given TPTB's usual attention to detail, it seems odd that they wouldn't try to do the same here. They could've easily just re-aired the scenes exactly - not used different cuts of the scene. Curious...

[Mr. Pat]

Kate's interaction with Jack is clearly different the second time around.

My theory is this:

The writers are hinting that a time loop exists and these characters have been in these situations before. Although everything plays out in a similar way, each loop is slightly different. Obviously the writers cannot have hundreds of different seasons of Lost showing hundreds of very similar scenarios playing out slightly differently. Instead, they present us with clues like the beginning/ending of last night's episode.

This theory would fit in perfectly with the fate vs. free will theme of the show. Is it possible for one of these characters to freely choose an action that will truly brake the time loop? Or are their actions in each time loop not significant enough to meaningfully alter reality?

My immediate thought after last nights episode was that the differences between the two scenes was the biggest reveal of the entire episode. I am shock to  discover that nobody is really posting about it and many are sweeping it aside. And yes I know that the last scene was edited down to save time. But Jake and Kate's interaction was different the second time around, regardless of editing.

[The_Hatch_Monkey]

It's interesting you point that out - did anyone else notice that the scene in the church that ended "This Place is Death", which was reshown at the beginning of "316", was also ever so slightly different when it was re-shown for "316." I don't know if the dialogue was different, but I'm pretty certain where Eloise was standing and other minor details were slightly different.

It's probably nothing - but given TPTB's usual attention to detail, it seems odd that they wouldn't try to do the same here. They could've easily just re-aired the scenes exactly - not used different cuts of the scene. Curious...

I didn't notice that----I'll have to check it out.  I was thinking the same thing about this episode.  It gave both my husband and myself the same feeling of "Wait, what?  This is weird"--I'll try to look for anyone being in the 'wrong place' or different clothing or items.

[lostandfree]

This has nothing to do with this thread really but does Hurley not know how to swim?  Why was he thrashing around anyway?  We've seen him swim before.

[The_Hatch_Monkey]

Kate's interaction with Jack is clearly different the second time around.

My theory is this:

The writers are hinting that a time loop exists and these characters have been in these situations before. Although everything plays out in a similar way, each loop is slightly different. Obviously the writers cannot have hundreds of different seasons of Lost showing hundreds of very similar scenarios playing out slightly differently. Instead, they present us with clues like the beginning/ending of last night's episode.

This theory would fit in perfectly with the fate vs. free will theme of the show. Is it possible for one of these characters to freely choose an action that will truly brake the time loop? Or are their actions in each time loop not significant enough to meaningfully alter reality?

My immediate thought after last nights episode was that the differences between the two scenes was the biggest reveal of the entire episode. I am shock to  discover that nobody is really posting about it and many are sweeping it aside. And yes I know that the last scene was edited down to save time. But Jake and Kate's interaction was different the second time around, regardless of editing.

I was surprised too while looking through the threads.  I'm glad that you agree with me--after the first response I got to my post *which was totally rude....lol*, I was thinking nobody would.    Very interesting insight as to fate vs. free will.  

We'll have to keep a look out for more scenes like this.  Another poster said something similar happened in another episode...one having to do with Mrs. Hawking.

Investigation time?  

[taki1379]

The opening scene is so similar to the opening scene in the pilot. all the way down to the suit that jack wears.

[The_Hatch_Monkey]

The opening scene is so similar to the opening scene in the pilot. all the way down to the suit that jack wears.

Oh, I know!  For a split second I thought it was a flash back to the Pilot....I was about to flip abou the baton not being there...haha.

Very interesting that is was that similar.

[Cowboy Up]

It's a tough call, there have been plenty of scenes changed from the original air to the dvd also...and it has been mentioned by "them"(TPTB)...is it intentional or an accident...only time will tell...until then, duly noted

[Jas0n]

I do agree the scenes did seem slightly different and i definetly felt like the scene with mrs. hawking was noticeably different, ok i need to go back and re-watch

[Mrs Alpert]

They also did this scene-repeating-but-slightly-different thing in the first few episodes of season 2, with Jack, Kate, and Locke meeting Desmond after they blew the door off the hatch. The dialogue was slightly different in the same scene of each episode. Since this show has so much to do with perspective, I just thought that whoever's storyline we were following that episode dictated which lines were pertinent in which episode, and which lines could be cut.

I'm going to have to say that in this case, tptb were simply cutting down the scene to save on time. I agree it's a little fishy, but I don't personally have enough evidence to be convinced.

This is NOT the craziest theory out there right now (and I'm too much of a lady to name names, lol ).
Hatch Monkey, if it turns out that you're right, I will give you all due props. Keep on with the theories!  

[Cowboy Up]

They also did this scene-repeating-but-slightly-different thing in the first few episodes of season 2, with Jack, Kate, and Locke meeting Desmond after they blew the door off the hatch. The dialogue was slightly different in the same scene of each episode. Since this show has so much to do with perspective, I just thought that whoever's storyline we were following that episode dictated which lines were pertinent in which episode, and which lines could be cut.

I'm going to have to say that in this case, tptb were simply cutting down the scene to save on time. I agree it's a little fishy, but I don't personally have enough evidence to be convinced.

This is NOT the craziest theory out there right now (and I'm too much of a lady to name names, lol ).
Hatch Monkey, if it turns out that you're right, I will give you all due props. Keep on with the theories!  

I also thought these key points..perspective, not necessarily to save time, but sometimes when you really interact with someone, later, you remember other things that were said, that you didn't recall the first time...

that or they are just messing with us