The sickness!! not the same thing!

[LostinLock]

So, now we know, "the sickness" Rousseau spoke of pertaining to Robert and team was not the same thing as anyone else. No nose bleeds or fainting. He was actually really going to kill her! OK so my questions now are:

1) WHY? If it was Smokey, why does Smokey want to kill her and 1a)why not do it itself? (and doesn't it know it can't happen lol)

2)So was that smokey in human form? So smokey takes the form of body's and so does Jacob? ie good and bad, black and white , Jacob and Smokey, Ben and Widmore?

The fact that Smokey shows himself as Smokey makes me wonder why it would ned to disguise itself as Robert or Yemi or Christian. There has never been any indication that these people are really smokey, thats just a fan theory that been around for a few seasons. I think if Smokey wants someone dead, he just kills them. Why beat the crud out of Eko, but then go thru all kinds of deception for Danielle's sake? I think Smokey is Smokey and somehow, even if they are dead, people are people, somehow... in some way. lol.
The smoke monster is a security system, Robert told Danielle and Danielle told our 815 survivors when bringing them to the Black Rock.  I agree with Cayley there is no reason for the smoke monster to manifest itself in human form.  It is what it is a security system.  NOW it may show things but it is not YEMI or anyone.  We will gain further understanding of what it does I am sure if not this season next.

3) Why didn't the island let her die? What did it need from her? Alex maybe ? ??

The Island didn't let Danielle live, she lived because she removed that firing pin from Robert's rifle. That was the same rifle Sayid tried to shoot her with in S1, she told him then that she did that.

So, yes, the sickness isnt the time-travel-nose-bleeds, the sickness was whatever turned a man who loved his pregnant wife/lover into someone who tried to shoot his pregnant wife/lover. And supposedly going in the temple had something to do with that, since she didnt get sick and was the only one who didnt go in there....

Not an answer, I guess, but just my thoughts. 

Correct the island had nothing to do with Danielle living or dying.  She survived and survived by keeping herself uder cover.  The time travel illness has been explained and quite aptly in the enhanced version.  Danielle refered to an illness when, again, going to the Black Rock.  As a matter of fact she states, something to the effect of this is where, so and so hurt/lost his arm.  She also said it is where the illness was.  Danielle was not influenced by the Smoke as she did not go in the hole. 

Remember when Locke had been approached by Smokey and survived he said what he saw was beautiful.  Danielle's husband and the others went into that hole and Smokey showed them something and they came "protecting" the island.  I know we are lead to believe they came out evil, but Danielle was not having the best of times.  Nadine falls out of tree,  an arm is ripped off in front of her and voila Jin goes away.  If you noticed she didn't react to the flash of light, as she didn't experience it.  But we still do not know what or how they came out.  Yes, perhaps they wanted to kill her, but my mind will remain open as to why.  We may not get the answer, but Smokey , Island have both good and bad qualities.

oh and final one Mrs. H  the island didn't let her die that was Widmores band of merry men

[Mrs Alpert]

We think Smokey is a security system because Robert told Danielle that's what it is. But Robert also told Danielle that he loved her, and didn't want anything to happen to her or their baby...and promptly tried to shoot her.

If Smokey is a security system, why didn't it attack Keamy's men on its own? It appears that Ben had to summon it. Must it always be summoned, or does it make some decisions on its own?

As for the actual "sickness"...Danielle says something like, "You're not Robert!" ...I'd like to think she was still sane enough at this point to be able to articulate what she's actually witnessing. He tries to convince her that he is Robert then tries to kill her...this, to me, validates Danielle's statement. It's not Robert. Or, it may be Robert's body, but not his consciousness.

(maybe he's like a zombie?? lol...kidding, not a real theory... or is it?? )

[Still_lost06]

I'm in the middle of watching the episode in season 1 where Danielle takes them to the Black Rock and says this is where Montaun lost his arm. She also says that it's where Nadine got sick. But didnt' Nadine die? Maybe smokey killed her and the others and then took over their bodies like Jacob does. If Danielle thought Nadine was dead and then saw her "alive" later, the would probably think that Smokey did something to her, as well as her teammates. That would give her incentive to kill them.

[Still_lost06]

Oops. I just went back and now realize that she said "my team" not "Nadine". But I'm sticking to my theory still!

[Mrs Hume]

oh and final one Mrs. H  the island didn't let her die that was Widmores band of merry men [/b][/color]

Yeah but you know what I mean, if she wasn't supposed to die the island would have protected her from widmores men.

The time travel illness has been explained and quite aptly in the enhanced version.  Danielle refered to an illness when, again, going to the Black Rock.  As a matter of fact she states, something to the effect of this is where, so and so hurt/lost his arm.  She also said it is where the illness was.  Danielle was not influenced by the Smoke as she did not go in the hole. 

no, know all this, the only thing I was saying in my thread title was that now we have comformation that the boat sickness and Danielle's teams sickness was different. Remember it was a big question last season? Maybe I forgot that we resolved it ? oh gosh, there goes my great memory again! as for the Jacob is a security system,... I'm just not sold yet. I don't know what to think of that darn thing anymore.    the one thing I do think is that widmore had something to do with making Smokey! or not. then he would have told keamy and those guys about it. hmmm. Well, I guess I'm not sure of that either. You know, I better go to bed! lol night all.

[PrincessLeia]

I was totally convinced last season that the sickness that Danielle's team experienced was what the freighter folk had fallen victim to, but NOW I see that it's not the same thing.  The science team's sickness seems like Cindy's brainwashing. 

The monster has appeared as good-Smokey (with Locke), recon-Smokey (Eko's 1st encounter), attack dog-Smokey (Ben unleashing him on the mercs), Yemi, Walt, & even as the Medusa spiders.  Somehow this all makes sense to the Island.   

[JackCrow]

Not passing an opinion if it would be better if smokey could manifest or not, but I think he "knows who to kill".  If it's obvious, he kills them.  If no, he seems to manifest and probe further (most clearly with Eko).  If they fail, he eats em.  If they pass, he goes away.  There IS a third option tho.  Sometimes he drags them into a hole in the ground as he tried to do with Locke.  I don't know exactly why he does that, as normally he seems to exact whatever is appropriate on the spot.  Maybe Locke and the one-armed guy were different somehow.

As to Robert's sickness, I liken it to Claire giving up her baby in the cabin all of a sudden (didn't seem like she would suddenly stop caring about Aaron...).  I don't know if it's Smokey directly, or if he takes people into his hole where Jacob (or whatever) takes a hold of them (which might answer my question up above).  If Smokey takes you in his hole, you somehow get your will bent to someone elses control (whether by force or being convinced is yet to be determined).  Although I thought about killing my wife at times, and I was never dragged into a hole...hmmmm...

(joke btw  )

Jack

[Still_lost06]

I wasn't sure where to put this but it has to do with the sickness so here goes. I think that Dan never got the nose bleeds because he wrote in his journal that "if anything goes wrong, Desmond Hume will be MY constant". I certainly stopped Des from having the nose bleeds from his time-disoriented self/selves.

[Mrs Hume]

I think that is safe to say.  now the question I have is, if Desmond isn't on the island during these time jumps , is that going to effect Dan or did he only need him for one time jump and now he's good for good?! 

[PrincessLeia]

I wasn't sure where to put this but it has to do with the sickness so here goes. I think that Dan never got the nose bleeds because he wrote in his journal that "if anything goes wrong, Desmond Hume will be MY constant". I certainly stopped Des from having the nose bleeds from his time-disoriented self/selves.

The nosebleeds that the time jumpers have been experiencing are different than those Minkowski & Des suffered from, though.

I think that is safe to say.  now the question I have is, if Desmond isn't on the island during these time jumps , is that going to effect Dan or did he only need him for one time jump and now he's good for good?! 

While he has seemed immune to the time-jumping nosebleeds, we know that he has had other negative side effects from either his own experiments or what he's been put through (his memory problems & that he had a caretaker when we 1st met him last season).

He may have never developed the nosebleeds, simply because he's spent the shortest (cumulative) amount of time on the Island.

[Mrs Hume]

Yes but if you need a constant, how does it work? How many doses do you need of your constant and how often!? I just wonder.

[zeekloveslost]

When Danielle first referred to the "sickness" in season 1, I connected it to the "quarantine" sign inside the swan hatch door and the shots that Ethan gave Claire.  I know the quarantine thing coul dhave been a trick to keep the people in the hatch doing their job and not exploring the island, but perhaps it was a remnant from an older time when there WAS a sickness around the island.

[Ladybug]

When Danielle first referred to the "sickness" in season 1, I connected it to the "quarantine" sign inside the swan hatch door and the shots that Ethan gave Claire.  I know the quarantine thing coul dhave been a trick to keep the people in the hatch doing their job and not exploring the island, but perhaps it was a remnant from an older time when there WAS a sickness around the island.

i think the quarantine of the hatch was just a ruse from dharma.  it was a way to keep the hatchlings close to the hatch, therefore they couldn't explore the island.

[PrincessLeia]

I've long believed the same thing, but then I found this in Lostpedia....

One of the Lost jigsaw puzzles contained a book code cipher on its back. Lostpedia translated the code using a copy of The Turn of the Screw, revealing, among other sentences, the statement "there is no sickness." However, according to Gregg Nations, Kelvin and Radzinsky wrote these messages, and it is their interpretation of the island's mysteries.

I think that Claire's injections were directly related to either her pregnancy or her implant.

[LostinLock]

Enhanced episode stated Charlotte was suffering from side effects of the time sickness.  Ergo her rambling like Minkowski and nose bleeds.