The sickness!! not the same thing!

[Mrs Hume]

So, now we know, "the sickness" Rousseau spoke of pertaining to Robert and team was not the same thing as anyone else. No nose bleeds or fainting. He was actually really going to kill her! OK so my questions now are:

1) WHY? If it was Smokey, why does Smokey want to kill her and 1a)why not do it itself? (and doesn't it know it can't happen lol)

2)So was that smokey in human form? So smokey takes the form of body's and so does Jacob? ie good and bad, black and white , Jacob and Smokey, Ben and Widmore?

3) Why didn't the island let her die? What did it need from her? Alex maybe ? ??

Funny, I thought I was getting more answers then questions this yr. they tricked me again! 

[Mrs Alpert]

(btw Mrs Hume I'm glad you're awake & posting stuff at this hour too. I know I should go to bed but UG I can't tear myself away just yet! )

ANYway, my thoughts are thus:
1. I was just thinking that if Robert was changed/brainwashed by the Smokey Temple, maybe Danielle was the sacrifice that the island demanded of him...like Ben's father for Ben, and Locke's father for Locke, and how Richard said that everyone who decides to join them has to demonstrate their eagerness and willingness? Robert wanted the Knowledge of the Others, and thus had to kill Danielle? idk, really..

2. I think it's totally possible that Robert was Smokey, like Yemi to Eko. Then Smokey looked different to Locke than to Eko, the black/white thing again...I love the duality of everything here...

3. Well, eventually it let her die...but she did a lot of stuff between shooting Robert and getting shot herself. Anything she did could be the answer. (What a non-answer answer, huh? Sorry I think maybe I will go to bed now, ha!)

[Mrs Hume]

(btw Mrs Hume I'm glad you're awake & posting stuff at this hour too. I know I should go to bed but UG I can't tear myself away just yet! )
haha, I said the same thing to myself about you , glad I'm not alone here. boy,It's like a gost town right now.Yes, and i believe, if I am not mistaken, that it is a little later for me in the NE.lol
ANYway, my thoughts are thus:
1. I was just thinking that if Robert was changed/brainwashed by the Smokey Temple, maybe Danielle was the sacrifice that the island demanded of him...like Ben's father for Ben, and Locke's father for Locke, and how Richard said that everyone who decides to join them has to demonstrate their eagerness and willingness? Robert wanted the Knowledge of the Others, and thus had to kill Danielle? idk, really.. 
Yeah but I don't think they knew about the others yet.

2. I think it's totally possible that Robert was Smokey, like Yemi to Eko. Then Smokey looked different to Locke than to Eko, the black/white thing again...I love the duality of everything here...

  Yeah that's what im thinking. and christian is the white smokey? that locke saw maybe?[/b]
3. Well, eventually it let her die...but she did a lot of stuff between shooting Robert and getting shot herself. Anything she did could be the answer. (What a non-answer answer, huh? Sorry I think maybe I will go to bed now, ha!) lol, you're too funny.
 I wonder which side let her die the good or the bad? even though I think the only side that has control over that is the good side maybe that being the island itself.

 

Thanks for your thoughts  theBrightandTheDark.! I should probably try to go to be myself. ( try )

[Mrs Alpert]

LOL totally just pictured Christian wearing white robes, bathed in a heavenly glow, descending towards Locke in the jungle... I'm totally out. More posts in the morning, yay! 

[CastawayCayley]

So, now we know, "the sickness" Rousseau spoke of pertaining to Robert and team was not the same thing as anyone else. No nose bleeds or fainting. He was actually really going to kill her! OK so my questions now are:

1) WHY? If it was Smokey, why does Smokey want to kill her and 1a)why not do it itself? (and doesn't it know it can't happen lol)

2)So was that smokey in human form? So smokey takes the form of body's and so does Jacob? ie good and bad, black and white , Jacob and Smokey, Ben and Widmore?

The fact that Smokey shows himself as Smokey makes me wonder why it would ned to disguise itself as Robert or Yemi or Christian. There has never been any indication that these people are really smokey, thats just a fan theory that been around for a few seasons. I think if Smokey wants someone dead, he just kills them. Why beat the crud out of Eko, but then go thru all kinds of deception for Danielle's sake? I think Smokey is Smokey and somehow, even if they are dead, people are people, somehow... in some way. lol.

3) Why didn't the island let her die? What did it need from her? Alex maybe ? ??

The Island didn't let Danielle live, she lived because she removed that firing pin from Robert's rifle. That was the same rifle Sayid tried to shoot her with in S1, she told him then that she did that.

So, yes, the sickness isnt the time-travel-nose-bleeds, the sickness was whatever turned a man who loved his pregnant wife/lover into someone who tried to shoot his pregnant wife/lover. And supposedly going in the temple had something to do with that, since she didnt get sick and was the only one who didnt go in there....

Not an answer, I guess, but just my thoughts. 

[zeekloveslost]

The Island didn't let Danielle live, she lived because she removed that firing pin from Robert's rifle. That was the same rifle Sayid tried to shoot her with in S1, she told him then that she did that.

You're good.

[CastawayCayley]

The Island didn't let Danielle live, she lived because she removed that firing pin from Robert's rifle. That was the same rifle Sayid tried to shoot her with in S1, she told him then that she did that.

You're good.

LMAO. If only I could impress my real-world friends with my Lost-fu.

[Maxor127]

Smokey was Yemi at least.  If I remember correctly, Ecko told Yemi that he didn't regret anything he's done or something like that and then Yemi turned into the smoke monster and thumped him on the ground to death, which I always thought was an odd way to kill someone.  I never noticed different color smoke though.

[CastawayCayley]

I don't recall actually seeing Yemi turn to smoke... I believe he disappeared and then moments later Smokey showed up. It might mean he was Smokey, or that he was protecting Eko from Smokey until Eko said that, then let smokey have him. I might pull out my DVD's and watch that again.

ETA: Lostpedia says Yemi was a manifestation of Smokey. And that it appeared to him as many people from his past. It doesnt say any other sightings of people were actually Smokey, so I guess my question should be amended to why that one time and not others?

[Ladybug]

So, now we know, "the sickness" Rousseau spoke of pertaining to Robert and team was not the same thing as anyone else. No nose bleeds or fainting. He was actually really going to kill her! OK so my questions now are:

1) WHY? If it was Smokey, why does Smokey want to kill her and 1a)why not do it itself? (and doesn't it know it can't happen lol)

2)So was that smokey in human form? So smokey takes the form of body's and so does Jacob? ie good and bad, black and white , Jacob and Smokey, Ben and Widmore?

The fact that Smokey shows himself as Smokey makes me wonder why it would ned to disguise itself as Robert or Yemi or Christian. There has never been any indication that these people are really smokey, thats just a fan theory that been around for a few seasons. I think if Smokey wants someone dead, he just kills them. Why beat the crud out of Eko, but then go thru all kinds of deception for Danielle's sake? I think Smokey is Smokey and somehow, even if they are dead, people are people, somehow... in some way. lol.

3) Why didn't the island let her die? What did it need from her? Alex maybe ? ??

The Island didn't let Danielle live, she lived because she removed that firing pin from Robert's rifle. That was the same rifle Sayid tried to shoot her with in S1, she told him then that she did that.

So, yes, the sickness isnt the time-travel-nose-bleeds, the sickness was whatever turned a man who loved his pregnant wife/lover into someone who tried to shoot his pregnant wife/lover. And supposedly going in the temple had something to do with that, since she didnt get sick and was the only one who didnt go in there....

Not an answer, I guess, but just my thoughts. 

I don't recall actually seeing Yemi turn to smoke... I believe he disappeared and then moments later Smokey showed up. It might mean he was Smokey, or that he was protecting Eko from Smokey until Eko said that, then let smokey have him. I might pull out my DVD's and watch that again.

ETA: Lostpedia says Yemi was a manifestation of Smokey. And that it appeared to him as many people from his past. It doesnt say any other sightings of people were actually Smokey, so I guess my question should be amended to why that one time and not others?

cayley i'm with you.  i don't want to believe that smokey manifests himself as a person, because why does he need to? 
other than that, i agree withyou.

[Mrs Hume]

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The Island didn't let Danielle live, she lived because she removed that firing pin from Robert's rifle. That was the same rifle Sayid tried to shoot her with in S1, she told him then that she did that

oh yeah that is true duh me! lol I forgot about that. But now I'm thinking, ... Maybe Jin will be able to tell her (next time) to take the pin's out right!? so it's still the island protecting her in the end? I don't know it sounded good until I typed it. there might be a point in there somewhere. he he

I know it's not a fact that Smokey can take human form and is Christian, but last night made me believe it might actually be true. and maybe the reason it takes human form is to have / make an army.  even if it's an army of "ghosts" (for lack of a better word) who try to bring  ppl over to the dark side (widmore's side)

[Alex2000]

2. I think it's totally possible that Robert was Smokey, like Yemi to Eko.

I agree that it is a possibility. Or Perhaps, if not actually "Smokey" himself, perhaps a side effect of being near the Temple that "Smokey" is guarding.  The other possibility is that Robert and the others "changed" somehow their experiences in the temple.

Also, regarding "the snickness". I think the "sickness" is in fact just a simple term used as a kind of synonym for their strange "visions".

hmm, let me explain.

Two possiblities:

1)
First of all, let us assume that the French began "seeing things", like the 815 survivors (Kate and the horse etc).
(I am going to assume that at least a couple of them got out of the Temple alive, but I think what follows might still be true if just Danielle is alive. )

Perhaps their close proximity to the Temple provokes even stronger visions than what we saw with the 815 survivors. But in any case, they start "seeing things". It gets worse and worse.  They start having trouble determining what is "real", and what is not. They start shooting at the "hallucinations", and even mistakenly at each other.

One possibility. We see that Danielle confronts what she believes to be another (temple induced?) "hallucination".  But perhaps, in the confrontation that we saw, Robert was Robert (not Smokey or a "hallucination") and Danielle was Danielle. Just that by that point, the lovers were so confused by that point they couldn't quiet tell who was real and who wasn't. Who is a threat and who isn't. A confused Robert pleads with what he isn't sure is a real Danielle or a hallucination to him. He tragically ends up pulling his gun. Danielle shoots the real Robert.

The Island didn't let Danielle live, she lived because she removed that firing pin from Robert's rifle. That was the same rifle Sayid tried to shoot her with in S1, she told him then that she did that.

This is huge. Good catch. Points more toward my "Robert was Robert" and my point about "the sickness".

Now regarding the term sickness. Remember that the French, and the Dharma people for that matter, as scientists. Being scientists, they might assume that what they are seeing are "hallucinations", which must therefore be a symptom of some unknown illness. They just begin calling it "the sickness". This might also go for the Dharma people. They may have come across this phenomena, tried to explain it away as some kind of virus, even producing a vaccine (which we saw).

2)
As posted here:.
The other possibility is that  Robert was Robert, but that he (along with the others) survived their temple exploration, but just lost their minds in the process (seeing the face of god or some such). In this case, "the sickness" is a term used to describe what happened in the temple. Danielle(and Dharma?) think that you "catch" something when you go into the temple that makes you go nuts.

Then Smokey looked different to Locke than to Eko, the black/white thing again

 

Did it? I don't quiet remember this. Can you describe the scene more?


Alex
(edit: fixed up some errors, and added point 2)

[Mrs Alpert]

Then Smokey looked different to Locke than to Eko, the black/white thing again

 

Did it? I don't quiet remember this. Can you describe the scene more?

In Season 3, Locke goes out to the Pearl (w/Des, Nikki, Paulo, & Sayid), Eko goes to find Yemi, and the two meet. They talk about how Eko just saw something. Locke's all, "I saw it once, too, you know!" Eko asks what it is Locke saw, he replies, "A bright light, it was beautiful" (paraphrasing here, sorry). Eko says, "That is not what I saw." ...and we saw what he saw, dark Smokey... so, two different entities or two sides of the same Smokey? Totally open to interpretation.

[lostieloo]

Robert couldn't have been a smokey manisfestation...he dropped dead when she shot him.

[Mrs Hume]

so what would have happened if he was?
No one else has ever tried to shoot Christian or Claire or Yemi or any of the others that we surmised could be a manifestation as you say. So we couldn't say that that couldn't happen if it was right? we don't have proof either way.(unless we do and I don't remember, then i am wrong)
I am not necessarily saying Robert was Smokey, he could have been apart of him, or like someone else said, he could have been effected when he went under the temple. I don't know