Research Team Chosen "for a reason" - their connection

[Mrs Alpert]

I can go with Miles as Chang's son, that's easy enough, and he got the nosebleeds at the right time.   That would mean Charolette is older than Miles.   Maybe a few years, but not much.  

Keep in mind we still don't know for a fact if the exposure to the island is what's causing the nosebleeds. Daniel only makes a guess about the amount of exposure to the island as to why they are getting the nose bleeds. But ultiamtely he doesn't know.

Miles could have been born before Charlotte; then the island gave his parents the heeby jeebies and they left. He could have been born there, left when he was four; Charlotte was born after him and stayed until she was five. So if island-exposure dictates nosebleed order, Charlotte is first with five years, Miles next at four years, then Juliet with about three. If Daniel's theory is correct.

[pkg81]

this is all speculation but, for the last couple of episodes I have gotten the feeling that Daniel is withholding a lot of information. He might not be the great nice guy we think he is. I just don't think he is being honest about anything he is saying. 

I don't think it is a question of "nice".. I think he knows a lot more than he is telling.. just like Ben. I just don't think he is evil like Ben, I believe his initial intentions are good but he can't tell certain things (1) because it will just cause havoc (2) it could affect the whole time shifting/past/present/future thing (3) people might just say he is crazy.

We know he's been traveling in time for quite a while as his notebook is full.

Good point!

[Harry Erickson]

this is all theory theres no proving miles was born here just because him and the doctor are both asian dosnt mean both are related

[Mrs Alpert]

this is all theory theres no proving miles was born here just because him and the doctor are both asian dosnt mean both are related

I'd say about 75% of everything on this forum is theory. Everything else is transcripts, screenshots, and plain old fun.

IF we take Daniel's own theory to be true, and people who have been on the island longer suffer the consequences more quickly, Miles would have to have been on the island for more than 3 years (since that's how long Juliet was on the island, and Miles got a bleeder before she did). Since Miles doesn't remember being on the island, it would make sense that he was very young when he was here. Like... fewer than five years old. So he could have been born on the island. And if he was, he doesn't have to be Chang's son. But I'm thinking somebody important/recognizable is the Chang Baby, otherwise why would it be the first scene of the season premiere?

[pkg81]

As for Miles, I think the only reason he was put on the freighter in the first place was so he could talk to Locke (and other not-yet-revealed dead people) when he returns.

I like the idea about Miles, Locke's after death translator.

Since Miles doesn't go back to the mainland, this means they bring Locke's body to the island and Miles talks to him there.  Still, Locke's presumably doesn't know how to reanimate himself, so how can he tell Miles.  Now if Miles were to talk to Christian/Jacob.......

Why would you need Miles to talk to anyone?? Everyone who is dead is talking to Locke already (Christian, Claire) - and when he comes back.. who knows "when" it will be & maybe he won'r be dead anymore.

That is my theory about healing "power" the only power is that is hasn't hapened yet.. time has shifted.

[Wishbone]

Miles could have been born before Charlotte; then the island gave his parents the heeby jeebies and they left. He could have been born there, left when he was four; Charlotte was born after him and stayed until she was five. So if island-exposure dictates nosebleed order, Charlotte is first with five years, Miles next at four years, then Juliet with about three. If Daniel's theory is correct.

So does that mean Sawyer has been there before?

It seems strange to me that Ben is working with Elouise. It was Widmore who funded Daniels research yet his mum is working with Ben. If he is helping Daniel then why not ask Elouise to get him to island, does Widmore not want to get there himself? Can't he just ask her to get him there?

Daniel has been studying time travel funded by Widmore and then Widmore hires him for the freighter, so I think he has obviously been sent there for that reason.

Miles can talk to dead people so I wonder if there is a specific person on the island who Widmore is wanting him to talk to. Did Widmore leave before the purge and wants Miles to find out what happenned to them all by asking them?

Charlotte has an obvious connection to the island having lived there before. Ben knew her history and never mentioned the island but if her mum always denied they lived there then maybe it was never documented. Maybe Ben didn't know, he certainly didn't seem to.

Ben was brought to the island as a child and has no 'special' powers which we know of, the only reason he knows what he knows is through his connections - although some of his connections could be special - so it is possible that the information he gathers is not 100% accurate.


 

[Creflo]

...just because him and the doctor are both asian dosnt mean both are related

"I'm from Encino"  HAHAHA

Ben was brought to the island as a child and has no 'special' powers which we know of, the only reason he knows what he knows is through his connections

I speculate that Ben's special power is that he's particularly gifted in his ability to remember the way events have played out when he is reliving them and/or he is especially attuned to The Whispers.   Just a guess.

Why would you need Miles to talk to anyone?

I think that is yet to be revealed, but I think that whatever kills Locke is something that Widmore wants revealed through Miles.

So if island-exposure dictates nosebleed order...

Well, in a broader sense it does but I think when you're talking about people getting nosebleeds within a few hours of each other, it comes down to an individual's constitution and general health.

The exposure is probably not measured in terms of the number of years a person has lived on The Island but rather in terms of how many memories are being supplanted by reliving a period of history where circumstances have changed.  It's not a case of just being exposed to Island mojo over a period of time, it's more like "I remember that Daniel came on the freighter with me" VS "I remember that Daniel said something spooky to me when I was a little girl".  2 memories compete for the same synapses and cause hemorrhaging in the amygdala.

[Holland34]

Okay... the more I think about Widmore and his connections, the more my head spins.

1. Since he has Eloise's contact info at his beckon (as he was able to give to Desmond), he's either completely clueless that she's doing work to find the island or she is playing both sides of the coin.  However, it seems unlikely that he would knowingly send the man (Desmond) that is protecting his daughter (Penny) to find someone (Eloise) that he knows is working with the person (Ben) who said he would kill his daughter.  This implies (to me) that Widmore doesn't know that Eloise is working with Ben.

    a. Side note 1: Ben also seems surprised to see Desmond and hear Desmond say he is looking for Faraday's mother.  Is he surprised about this knowledge or just surprised that the door to Penny walked right up to him?

    b. Side note 2: If Faraday is working as part of Widmore's team (and he knows this fact) AND he's been "sponsored" by Widmore for the past 10 years (or whatever it was), how could Widmore not know Faraday's plans on getting to the island.  Faraday already had the strict headings to get onto and off the island... my assumption is that he got those from / with his mother (as she is doing now).  He could have potentially got them on his own and his mother is backtracking his work, but it seems very possible that he worked with her in the past on this (which is why he sent Desmond back to her in the first place).  In that case, how wouldn't Widmore know more that he seems to?  At this point, does he need Ben to go back and get the island stabilized before he can go back?

2. Widmore sponsored the boat race that got Desmond stuck on the island

3. Somehow Widmore was associated with the hot air balloon that got Henry Gale stuck on the island

4. There is speculation in other topics that Widmore had something to do with Danielle's boat (pure speculation at this point)

Another part of my noodling was around the need to have people who have been to the island and left previously as part of the team for some reason.  He could think that Keamey's team was expendable, so who cares if they can't leave.  But he needs someone who can leave to get him the info on how to get to the island.

Sorry... this is a bit rambling and top-of-mind, but I needed to see it to start getting my arms around it.  Any thoughts?

[BobBX542]

I think that the reason that Widmore sent a team first was to see if the island is even there, he's a powerful busy man, can't be chasing mysterious islands of mystery on a whim. Plus, Keamy's crew said they wanted Ben alive, so he wants Ben for some nefarious reason, so he sent the Mercs to take out anyone who might resist. Kind of a dumbed down response, but my brain no work right now. Sorry.

[Shakey]

Great thoughts, Holland.

I'm of the opinion that Ben was surprised to make the connection between Hawking and Daniel.  The reason is that I don't believe there's been much interaction between Ben and Daniel.

I battle with this, though, because Ben has a working relationship (somehow) with Hawking and Daniel and his mom must have worked somewhat closely because of Daniel's assertion that his mom could help.  Daniel had to know that his mom possesses the knowledge required to assist in their current dilemma.  You'd think that, as a result of this, Ben would know all about Daniel.  If this is true, then his surprise would be due to one of two things:
1) That Desmond has just created a very nice avenue to Penny by showing up
2) That he's surprised to know that Desmond has knowledge of Daniel's mom

I'm thinking it's #2 because of the time-sensitive nature of their adventure... he knows getting on the island is of critical importance and he wouldn't delay that just to seek revenge on Widmore by killing Penny first.  In his mind, I'm sure he'd believe he can take care of that at a later date.

So, if it's #2, then maybe Ben is going one step further and determining that Desmond would only know of who Hawking is and where she is located (she is very private) through discussion with Widmore.  If Widmore knows where Hawking is, Ben could surmise that there may be some loyalty issues involved in Hawking's participation.  Who is she really working for/with?

[Mrs Alpert]

I think that Blitz_Wing's article makes a lot of sense...that the "rules" that Widmore changed were those of time-travel, not being able to change anything, but by sending Faraday to the island and him meeting up with Desmond, things changed because Desmond is the exception to the rule. Faraday would never have figured out about Desmond if he hadn't been able to go on with his research...funded by Widmore.

So I'm going against what I've said before (as I will do many more times, I'm sure), and say that Ben is surprised to see Desmond because every time this scene has played out, Desmond has never been there. Ben's shocked and probably a little frightened because he realizes that the rules have changed again. Widmore has the upper hand, because he sent Faraday on that freighter.

[MachThree]

Okay... the more I think about Widmore and his connections, the more my head spins.

1. Since he has Eloise's contact info at his beckon (as he was able to give to Desmond), he's either completely clueless that she's doing work to find the island or she is playing both sides of the coin.  However, it seems unlikely that he would knowingly send the man (Desmond) that is protecting his daughter (Penny) to find someone (Eloise) that he knows is working with the person (Ben) who said he would kill his daughter.  This implies (to me) that Widmore doesn't know that Eloise is working with Ben.

    a. Side note 1: Ben also seems surprised to see Desmond and hear Desmond say he is looking for Faraday's mother.  Is he surprised about this knowledge or just surprised that the door to Penny walked right up to him?

    b. Side note 2: If Faraday is working as part of Widmore's team (and he knows this fact) AND he's been "sponsored" by Widmore for the past 10 years (or whatever it was), how could Widmore not know Faraday's plans on getting to the island.  Faraday already had the strict headings to get onto and off the island... my assumption is that he got those from / with his mother (as she is doing now).  He could have potentially got them on his own and his mother is backtracking his work, but it seems very possible that he worked with her in the past on this (which is why he sent Desmond back to her in the first place).  In that case, how wouldn't Widmore know more that he seems to?  At this point, does he need Ben to go back and get the island stabilized before he can go back?

Well, I go back to Eloise's "God help us all" line from a few weeks ago.  Who is All?  The whole planet?  Everyone who knows of the Island?  Exactly what will happen if all 6 of the O6 don't go back?  Is it terrible enough that Ben, Widmore and Eloise have all joined forces to prevent it, regardless of their past allegiances? 

The one thing I think is missing in all of this is everyone's connection to the monestary.  Desmond's Monk boss has a pciture of Eloise, Widmore apparently donates money to the monestary (I think this is mentioned when Penny comes to pick up the wine) and if I recall correctly, Widmore sent Penny to the monestary ostensibly to pick up his wine, but that lead to her chance encounter with and meeting Desmond.  Who among Eloise, Widmore, and teh head monk knew of Desmond's special qualities or destiny?

2. Widmore sponsored the boat race that got Desmond stuck on the island

And, as I mentioned above, perhaps orchestrated Desmond and Penny meeting to begin with.

3. Somehow Widmore was associated with the hot air balloon that got Henry Gale stuck on the island

Can you explain that one?  I don't recall there being any evidence of this but I fully admit I may be forgetting something important.

 
4. There is speculation in other topics that Widmore had something to do with Danielle's boat (pure speculation at this point)

Another part of my noodling was around the need to have people who have been to the island and left previously as part of the team for some reason.  He could think that Keamey's team was expendable, so who cares if they can't leave.  But he needs someone who can leave to get him the info on how to get to the island.

Sorry... this is a bit rambling and top-of-mind, but I needed to see it to start getting my arms around it.  Any thoughts?

If returning to the Island means death, maybe Widmore didn't want any survivors from his little expidition, period.  Of course, if that is anything more than "future Daniel" sharing knowledge of the "future" with "past Charlotte", or if that is a general rule that goes beyond Charlotte, who is to say at this point? 

[pkg81]

this is all theory theres no proving miles was born here just because him and the doctor are both asian dosnt mean both are related

I'd say about 75% of everything on this forum is theory. Everything else is transcripts, screenshots, and plain old fun.

IF we take Daniel's own theory to be true, and people who have been on the island longer suffer the consequences more quickly, Miles would have to have been on the island for more than 3 years (since that's how long Juliet was on the island, and Miles got a bleeder before she did). Since Miles doesn't remember being on the island, it would make sense that he was very young when he was here. Like... fewer than five years old. So he could have been born on the island. And if he was, he doesn't have to be Chang's son. But I'm thinking somebody important/recognizable is the Chang Baby, otherwise why would it be the first scene of the season premiere?

Thank you fpr trying to bring pespective to some people who take this too seriously.. this is supposed to be fun & it is mostly speculation which makes everyone "think"

[Holland34]

3. Somehow Widmore was associated with the hot air balloon that got Henry Gale stuck on the island

Can you explain that one?  I don't recall there being any evidence of this but I fully admit I may be forgetting something important.

This one is off the top of my head, but I seem to remember that the hot air balloon had a Widmore company logo on it.  I could be mistaking that with a different scene (we've seen that logo in multiple places), but that's what I thought I remembered.

[The_Hatch_Monkey]

I think you might want to double check your facts on this and repost, because all of the things you're saying we "know" we don't know.

Definitely...I kept saying out loud.."no, no we don't KNOW that."

We don't KNOW that Miles is 'Dr. Candle's' son for sure (even though I think most everyone believes he is)
Charlotte being Annie's daughter?  I don't think the age works there...
We do not know that Daniel is the son of Widmore.


I think this should maybe be moved into the 'crackpot theories' thread....I'm not saying it is all nonsense...but, ah, we can't call this the gospel.