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Painting In Widmore's Office is Mirror Image of One In Season 3
« on: January 30, 2009, 04:54:52 PM »
The painting seen to the right of Desmond when he barges in to Widmore's office in this episode was on the other side of the room in season 3 and in that epi, "Flashes Before Your Eyes", the painting was reversed as in a mirror image, with the word "Namaste" prominently flipped.

Here is a screencap from Season 3"

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-85376.html

Here is a screencap from "Jughead":

http://www.docarzt.com/wp-content/gallery/503-screen-caps/lost_503_capture_16_widmore_office.jpg

I can't help but think that this is significant, especially since we now learn that a future episode this year will be called "Namaste".  Further, some screencaps from "Flashes Before Your Eyes" appear to show a bar and shelf in the location of the painting in other shots.  Either a serious continuity screw up or, more likely, some effect of the time/space traveling being done by Des and/or Widmore.

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Re: Painting In Widmore's Office is Mirror Image of One In Season 3
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2009, 05:01:33 PM »
WE cant see the other wall in either picture,

operhaps the other side of the room is all mirrors, floor to ceiling?

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Re: Painting In Widmore's Office is Mirror Image of One In Season 3
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2009, 05:19:37 PM »
Looks more like the image was flipped horizontal the first time rather than there being two paintings...why do this?

Maybe the shot was more effective in post production thus with Des being shot from what is now his left where as it would be from his right if the image is not flipped.

These flubs can be found quite a bit in advertising, as just flipping an image is easier that doing a re-shoot, though things like the painting are usu. "adjusted"...

do not think that the same is unheard of in film either....specifics I cannot think of, but it really does not seem to be that important of an issue...need more reasoning for me to think it has any value.
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Re: Painting In Widmore's Office is Mirror Image of One In Season 3
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 06:00:56 PM »
well desmond is sitting in the black chair.. opposite side of the desk... so the desmond photo is showing the mirror reflection of the painting... the one w/ widmore is showing the wall side of the painting.. the only thing that can throw this off is the fact that in the mirror the light would be on the other side of the desk... but i mean, ****, how many years has it been between the scenes? widmore maybe got bored and changed the placement of the light haha.

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Re: Painting In Widmore's Office is Mirror Image of One In Season 3
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 09:46:32 PM »
maybe he just rearranged it! i sometimes rearrange my room when i get bored of it...

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Re: Painting In Widmore's Office is Mirror Image of One In Season 3
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2009, 12:22:27 AM »
Looks more like the image was flipped horizontal the first time rather than there being two paintings.

Sadly, I think this is the answer. I flipped the image from Flashes Before Your Eyes, and if you notice the position of the lamp, and the...little round doo-dad that's in front of the lamp, it looks correct. So it looks like it was just a case of liberal editing.

Here are the two pics:
Jughead: http://www.docarzt.com/wp-content/gallery/503-screen-caps/lost_503_capture_16_widmore_office.jpg
FBYE (flipped): http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9522/flashescap335uh1.jpg


Also, as an afterthought. While I was flipping the image and looking at it, the upside down figure really resembles a member of the Terracotta Army. For the uninformed, the Terracotta Army is a form of funerary art buried with the First Emperor of Qin in 210-209 BC (he declared himself the first emperor of China in 221 BC to the end of his life in 210 BC). Their purpose was to help rule another empire with Shi Huang Di in the afterlife.

I don't know if this holds any significance, or has been discussed before. But here's an image from the painting ( http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3408/terracottasoldierlo4.jpg ) And you can check the Wikipedia page for Terracotta Army for images of the actual soldiers.

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Re: Painting In Widmore's Office is Mirror Image of One In Season 3
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2009, 01:45:29 AM »
Upon review, I agree with Staggerlee and Chuckie that the image from Season 3 does look like it was somehow flipped in the process of posting the screencap.  To be sure, I'll go back and look at the episode to see where the painting is sited.  If it is on Des' right and backwards on the DVD I'll note it here.

For the record Chuckie, the image you say is one of the Terracotta Army figures is not.  I saw these years ago when they toured the US.  Here is a good image of them:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/TERRACOTTA_ARMY_%40_Gdynia_2006_-_05_ubt.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TERRACOTTA_ARMY_%40_Gdynia_2006_-_05_ubt.jpeg&usg=__5Ddm0aG-2T5ujIGw5Q_gqGo2lBM=&h=1200&w=1600&sz=394&hl=en&start=15&um=1&tbnid=JEPL6RansEhIRM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3DTerracotta%2BArmy%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

The image in the painting is of the Great Buddha of Kamakura in Japan.  The Wiki page with its image is here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kotokuin


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Re: Painting In Widmore's Office is Mirror Image of One In Season 3
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2009, 02:52:21 AM »
So having reviewed the DVD of "Flashes Before Your Eyes", the backwards image of the painting, shown to Des' right is clearly part of the show, not a reversal by someone capturing the screen image.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=85376&fullsize=1

Other shots in the scene show a boat model and a bar to his right.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x08-flashes/2/flashes-cap334.jpg

Why it was done, whether out of error, artistic or composition reasons, or to mess with our time traveling heads, will have to remain to be seen.
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Re: Painting In Widmore's Office is Mirror Image of One In Season 3
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2009, 03:06:08 AM »
Sometimes things are flipped or reversed just to hide things or make them look different, or maybe it was backwards to help understand it was a flashBACKwards lol

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Re: Painting In Widmore's Office is Mirror Image of One In Season 3
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2009, 05:50:27 AM »
The painting seen to the right of Desmond when he barges in to Widmore's office in this episode was on the other side of the room in season 3 and in that epi, "Flashes Before Your Eyes", the painting was reversed as in a mirror image, with the word "Namaste" prominently flipped.

Here is a screencap from Season 3"

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-85376.html

Here is a screencap from "Jughead":

http://www.docarzt.com/wp-content/gallery/503-screen-caps/lost_503_capture_16_widmore_office.jpg

I can't help but think that this is significant, especially since we now learn that a future episode this year will be called "Namaste".  Further, some screencaps from "Flashes Before Your Eyes" appear to show a bar and shelf in the location of the painting in other shots.  Either a serious continuity screw up or, more likely, some effect of the time/space traveling being done by Des and/or Widmore.

Yes, i too think things are digressing...

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Re: Painting In Widmore's Office is Mirror Image of One In Season 3
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2009, 07:03:01 AM »
I seem to remember that during season 3 someone commented on mirror writing in this picture (or possibly another).

It turned out it was just post-production work: sometimes the film editor decides that a scene looks better reversed.

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Re: Painting In Widmore's Office is Mirror Image of One In Season 3
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2009, 09:08:12 AM »
disappointing to say the least. I was hoping that there was going to be something to do with this... maybe i'm just looking into things too much

oh well, looks like its back to Lost Anonymous sessions for me.

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Re: Painting In Widmore's Office is Mirror Image of One In Season 3
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2009, 04:55:34 AM »
hmm reminds me of an Alice in Wonderland:Through the Looking Glass.

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Re: Painting In Widmore's Office is Mirror Image of One In Season 3
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2009, 03:52:05 PM »
this isn't the first time they have done this, in "Two For The Road" when Ana Lucia is driving Christian Sheppard around, they flipped the negative there because she was driving a standard American left hand drive car, but the story was happening in Australia, they even went so far as to put up the sign on the front of the bar backwards so that when they flipped it, it would be readable.