jace427
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« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2009, 07:09:45 PM » |
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Staggerlee's got it. If Widmore has been looking for the island for around 20 years, that means he probably was around for the purge, but just wasn't shown to have been there, yet, obviously due to the fact that they didn't want to reveal this part of Charles' history until now. As for the military clothing, I believe it means nothing more than the Other's appropriated U.S. military uniforms and suplies after killing them and tells us nothing about the others except they've been around at least as long as the 1950s. Also, someone mentioned something about Richard coming to visit Locke when he was young. I seem to remember, very distinctly, Richard smiling and showing approval when Locke chose the vial of sand and the compass. He only showed disappointment when Locke took the knife instead of the Book Of Laws. I think this says more about what kind of leader Locke would be more than anything else, which is probably what upset Richard. I also believe there is some still unresolved hurt that caused Ben to turn from a seemingly good natured child into what he has become beyond the emotional abuse of his father, and I believe it has to do somehow with Annie. If I had to put money on what made Ben snap, that would be it. Strange that there has been no mention of her outside of "The Man Behind the Curtain", which clearly shows he still dwells on the subject since he still has the dolls. We can probably assume that Annie was not killed in the purge, probably dying beforehand or "one of the people who was smart enough not to end up in that pit" as Ben puts it. Anyway, I still think she's important somehow. There has also been no new information about Jacob meant by "Help me". Leads me to conclude he's being held somehow against his will. Didn't sound like a generic request. There was a little desparation in his voice. Just my take.
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« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2009, 08:29:55 PM » |
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OMG..WHAT IF DESMOND IS WHITEMORES SON...THATS WHY HE DIDN'T WANT HIM TO BE WITH PENNY BECAUSE THE ARE SIBLINGS.LOL..DO WE EVEN KNOW WHO DESMOND'S PARENTS ARE?  ? I hope not; what about poor baby Charlie? |
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« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2009, 10:11:38 PM » |
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OMG..WHAT IF DESMOND IS WHITEMORES SON...THATS WHY HE DIDN'T WANT HIM TO BE WITH PENNY BECAUSE THE ARE SIBLINGS.LOL..DO WE EVEN KNOW WHO DESMOND'S PARENTS ARE? ? I hope not; what about poor baby Charlie? Yeah I dont think incest would be portrayed in a prime time show, and if they reveal it ater, its still the same thing we just find out later. |
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You're an idiot!! It doesnt work like that you can't change anything. Your maniac Iraqi buddy shot Linus that is what always happened it's just, we never experienced how it all turns out.
What's confusing about that??
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matahari
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« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2009, 12:34:16 AM » |
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Staggerlee's got it. If Widmore has been looking for the island for around 20 years, that means he probably was around for the purge, but just wasn't shown to have been there, yet, obviously due to the fact that they didn't want to reveal this part of Charles' history until now. As for the military clothing, I believe it means nothing more than the Other's appropriated U.S. military uniforms and suplies after killing them and tells us nothing about the others except they've been around at least as long as the 1950s. Also, someone mentioned something about Richard coming to visit Locke when he was young. I seem to remember, very distinctly, Richard smiling and showing approval when Locke chose the vial of sand and the compass. He only showed disappointment when Locke took the knife instead of the Book Of Laws. I think this says more about what kind of leader Locke would be more than anything else, which is probably what upset Richard. I also believe there is some still unresolved hurt that caused Ben to turn from a seemingly good natured child into what he has become beyond the emotional abuse of his father, and I believe it has to do somehow with Annie. If I had to put money on what made Ben snap, that would be it. Strange that there has been no mention of her outside of "The Man Behind the Curtain", which clearly shows he still dwells on the subject since he still has the dolls. We can probably assume that Annie was not killed in the purge, probably dying beforehand or "one of the people who was smart enough not to end up in that pit" as Ben puts it. Anyway, I still think she's important somehow. There has also been no new information about Jacob meant by "Help me". Leads me to conclude he's being held somehow against his will. Didn't sound like a generic request. There was a little desparation in his voice. Just my take.
I'm digging it, except for the incest. EW I like the purge as a jump off. Isn't it logical to assume Ben was part of the others, who were part of DHARMA, and Annie was too. Perhaps DHARMA somehow led to Annie's death and Ben got killed them all for allowing Annie to die. I buy it. But, What exactly did DHARMA do to Ben & Annie? Jacob is definitely incapacitated somehow. He sounds weak or something. What was up with the crazy jars of fluid the first time we see/meet him? |
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"ASK ME MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT TIME TRAVEL." --Miles
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« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2009, 07:33:23 AM » |
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OMG..WHAT IF DESMOND IS WHITEMORES SON...THATS WHY HE DIDN'T WANT HIM TO BE WITH PENNY BECAUSE THE ARE SIBLINGS.LOL..DO WE EVEN KNOW WHO DESMOND'S PARENTS ARE? ? I hope not; what about poor baby Charlie? Yeah I dont think incest would be portrayed in a prime time show, and if they reveal it ater, its still the same thing we just find out later. Count that kids toes. |
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ukslim
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« Reply #50 on: January 30, 2009, 07:47:03 AM » |
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Count that kids toes.
Then build a big statue. |
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« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2009, 02:21:13 PM » |
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What seems to be the most comman name on lost?
Charles:
Charles Widmore
Charlie Hume
Charlie Pace
Charlotte Lewis
All from Great Britain
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MangoBingo
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« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2009, 03:25:02 PM » |
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What seems to be the most comman name on lost?
Charles:
Charles Widmore
Charlie Hume
Charlie Pace
Charlotte Lewis
All from Great Britain
How strange...  |
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gjohnson
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« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2009, 05:11:10 PM » |
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... I think this says more about what kind of leader Locke would be more than anything else, which is probably what upset Richard... Or perhaps it says more about the circumstances under which Locke came to lead the Others (I am not totally convinced his "leadership" is anything more than an illusion.) I also believe there is some still unresolved hurt that caused Ben to turn from a seemingly good natured child into what he has become beyond the emotional abuse of his father, and I believe it has to do somehow with Annie. If I had to put money on what made Ben snap, that would be it. Strange that there has been no mention of her outside of "The Man Behind the Curtain", which clearly shows he still dwells on the subject since he still has the dolls. We can probably assume that Annie was not killed in the purge, probably dying beforehand or "one of the people who was smart enough not to end up in that pit" as Ben puts it. Anyway, I still think she's important somehow. There has also been no new information about Jacob meant by "Help me". Leads me to conclude he's being held somehow against his will. Didn't sound like a generic request. There was a little desparation in his voice. Just my take.
Ben's pain is deep for sure to be that manipulative... and it is sure to do with Annie (D annielle? Where'd she get the crazy accent? Dunno, but I'm not ready to let that go. Why did Ben let her hang around the island?). I agree about Jacob. Sounds like he is imprisoned. I'm not so sure we want to see Jacob freed, however. |
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Mrs Hume
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« Reply #54 on: February 01, 2009, 06:20:36 PM » |
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I think Widmore knew Des was on the Island. He knew about the Island, he had been to the Island, Des takes libby's boat (who had been on the Island), and des was on Widmore's solo race. Widmore was trying to maroon Des to keep him from Penny. he tried to pay him off, but it didn't work.
I'm sure Widmore knows how they all got off the Island too.
You brought up one of many of my biggest questions. If Charles planed on putting Desmond on that island with that boat then how would he do that if he himself is still looking for the island? Maybe this is a good topic to start a thread about. ya know? |
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 "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." |
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« Reply #55 on: February 01, 2009, 08:03:17 PM » |
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OMG EXACTLY..CLEARING WHITEMORE KNEW WHERE THE ISLAND WAS, SO WHY WASN'T HE ON THE BOAT HIMSELF IF YOU WANT TO BE THERE SOO DESEPEARTLY..um..well we know him and ben aren't on the same team so...um
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« Reply #56 on: February 01, 2009, 08:04:41 PM » |
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OO i am idiot.lol I forgot that was in future when the island was moved, but still..Whitemore knew where it was soo..WHy didn't he just go himself
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Mrs Hume
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« Reply #57 on: February 01, 2009, 08:12:23 PM » |
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but does widmore know where it is? Did he send desmond?
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"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." |
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matahari
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« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2009, 03:07:57 AM » |
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I think Widmore knew Des was on the Island. He knew about the Island, he had been to the Island, Des takes libby's boat (who had been on the Island), and des was on Widmore's solo race. Widmore was trying to maroon Des to keep him from Penny. he tried to pay him off, but it didn't work.
I'm sure Widmore knows how they all got off the Island too.
You brought up one of many of my biggest questions. If Charles planed on putting Desmond on that island with that boat then how would he do that if he himself is still looking for the island? Maybe this is a good topic to start a thread about. ya know? Good point! If Widmore sent Des he would have to have known where the Island was in 2001. Perhaps the Island wanted Desmond for some weird twist of fate for Widmore. Maybe Widmore knew of a way for the Island to draw an individual in fairly easily, but not allow a freighter full of mercenaries onto the Island. As we have seen, it is not exactly easy for someone to just walk in and takeover the Island. |
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"ASK ME MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT TIME TRAVEL." --Miles
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Wishbone
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« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2009, 10:23:28 AM » |
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I love that Widmore was an other and I didn't see it coming at all.
It's got me wondering a couple of things:
Maybe Penny was adopted by Widmore like Alex was by Ben
Maybe Annie was Penny's mum
Maybe Annie died in childbirth
Lot of maybe's - I had a better idea when I was reading everyone's posts but I can't string it together now.
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