Did Jin really die in the explosion?

[§møĐēąη]

I think the island was done with him when he got that DUI. 
*Yes he went there*

[LostinLock]

I think the island was done with him when he got that DUI. 
*Yes he went there*

That is the standard for the actors, drink and you die!  Good public service message !  I went to Hawaii got a DUI and now I am off the island!

Oh Poor Jin, he is alive just watch reruns and live in denial!   

[§møĐēąη]

I did hear a certain ex-cop who also got a DUI will make a guest appearance this season.

[BobBX542]

I had been in the "Jin is alive" camp, but now I'm thinking he's dead.  His character kind of went full circle, the way Charlie did, with his redemption and making the ultimate sacrifice to save Sun and Ji Yeon, becoming the hero.  I'm guessing Jin will still play a role, but more like Charlie - appearences from the "beyond" or wherever "dead" characters go in the Lost universe.

And I also was really really hoping that Claire is still alive, but then I just rewatched The Shape of Things to Come and Something Nice Back Home, and I'm thinking she's dead.  After Sawyer saves Claire and brings her to Ben's house, they ask her if she's okay, and she says she's feeling woozy but, "I'll be alright."  And then Miles quickly retorts "for now."  And let's remember, Miles is a clairevoyant of some sort.  This just struck me over the head when I saw it.  And then in 4.10 when she leaves Aaron to go off with Christian, that just struck as being completely out of character for Claire - she is not one to quickly believe in things, so why would Christian be able to convince her to leave Aaron and come to the cabin because the Island is in danger?  And more importanly, she would NEVER leave Aaron like that.

The only problem I see with what you're saying about Claire, is that she did leave Aaron, so you can't say she would never leave him. As far as Miles's line "for now", I think that is more along the lines of him being a pessimist. I'm pretty sure all he can see are ghosts/spirits. I don't think he has any ability to see into the future.

[E.S.B.]

Yeah, my point about Claire is that if she were truly "alive," I could not see her leaving Aaron like that because it is very out of character.  So she must be dead?  I dunno.  Hopefully there is a better explanation.

As for Miles, I guess there's really no solid evidence suggesting he can do more than speak to the dead, but I wonder if he can do more.  I mean, he was acting really weird around Claire when they were walking back to the beach - why?  And he made some comment to Charlotte in the Finale implicating that she should want to stay on the Island for some reason.  What could he know, and how could know it?  Maybe a dead person told him, or maybe he has additional psychic abilities.  Time will tell!

[Jugdish]

I believe he was acting weird around Claire because she died in that explosion of her house.

[LostinLock]

Yeah, my point about Claire is that if she were truly "alive," I could not see her leaving Aaron like that because it is very out of character.  So she must be dead?  I dunno.  Hopefully there is a better explanation.

As for Miles, I guess there's really no solid evidence suggesting he can do more than speak to the dead, but I wonder if he can do more.  I mean, he was acting really weird around Claire when they were walking back to the beach - why?  And he made some comment to Charlotte in the Finale implicating that she should want to stay on the Island for some reason.  What could he know, and how could know it?  Maybe a dead person told him, or maybe he has additional psychic abilities.  Time will tell!

Wait ....If she were dead then why did Sawyer see her?  He has not been one of the characters that has seen dead people.  Agreed that Miles was acting odd around Claire, and Sawyer kept telling Miles to bugger off!  More about this later

[AlwaysLost]

Everyone on that island sees dead people! lol

I think Claire is dead, but not convinced about Jin. 

[PrincessLeia]

I would feel really hoodwinked if Claire is really dead, but "appearances can be deceiving" was a HUGE theme this season.



& I KNOW the deleted scenes are noncanonical, but still!  Did everyone see the one with Claire & Hurley after the explosion?

[BobBX542]

Yeah, my point about Claire is that if she were truly "alive," I could not see her leaving Aaron like that because it is very out of character.  So she must be dead?  I dunno.  Hopefully there is a better explanation.

As for Miles, I guess there's really no solid evidence suggesting he can do more than speak to the dead, but I wonder if he can do more.  I mean, he was acting really weird around Claire when they were walking back to the beach - why?  And he made some comment to Charlotte in the Finale implicating that she should want to stay on the Island for some reason.  What could he know, and how could know it?  Maybe a dead person told him, or maybe he has additional psychic abilities.  Time will tell!

You know, I totally forgot about a few of Miles's weird quirks like that, so maybe he does have some sort of ability to see into the future. Perhaps flying through the anomaly paired with his ability to speak to the dead gave him the same ability that Desmond had, but without the amnesia. Hmmmm, weird. But good point on your end. I have sort of forgotten alot because I have been rewatching everything. Starting on Season 2 tonight, so maybe I'll have some interesting revelations. LOL

[E.S.B.]

I would feel really hoodwinked if Claire is really dead, but "appearances can be deceiving" was a HUGE theme this season.



& I KNOW the deleted scenes are noncanonical, but still!  Did everyone see the one with Claire & Hurley after the explosion?

I like the "appearances can be deceiving" theme, good point!  Maybe we are made to just think that Claire might be dead (same with Jin, obviously), but it's really something completely different - which would be awesome, because I would not be pleased if Claire is dead, either.  There's just something strange going on.  ((and who you gonna call?))

The deleted scene with Claire and Hurley...  did they put that in the S4 boxset?

[AlwaysLost]

I just saw this one again and I still think she is dead, there is NO WAY Claire would leave the baby if she were alive.  I agree something strange is afoot as well.

[AlwaysLost]

Oh, and Miles totally knows what's going on as far as all the dead people go!

[Jugdish]

I agree. There is no way she would just leave Aaron.

Maybe she is not dead, but the island has "taken control" of her for some purpose. Using her to complete a task. We have not seen this happen yet, but weird stuff does go on there.

[PrincessLeia]

I would feel really hoodwinked if Claire is really dead, but "appearances can be deceiving" was a HUGE theme this season.



& I KNOW the deleted scenes are noncanonical, but still!  Did everyone see the one with Claire & Hurley after the explosion?

I like the "appearances can be deceiving" theme, good point!  Maybe we are made to just think that Claire might be dead (same with Jin, obviously), but it's really something completely different - which would be awesome, because I would not be pleased if Claire is dead, either.  There's just something strange going on.  ((and who you gonna call?))

The deleted scene with Claire and Hurley...  did they put that in the S4 boxset?

Yes- if they had left this in the episode, I would be more inclined to think she's dead.  They may have left it out, so as to not give it away so quickly! lol

Claire's Vision: Claire is resting in bed while Hurley nurses her. He tells her to try and stay awake. Claire notices something in the room, then asks Hurley why her father is there. When Hurley looks around, no one is in the room. She then asks if they are dead. Hurley jokes that if they are, heaven sucks. This scene was deleted from "The Shape of Things to Come".

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Deleted_scenes#Regular_Disc_5_Deleted_Scenes

I agree. There is no way she would just leave Aaron.

Maybe she is not dead, but the island has "taken control" of her for some purpose. Using her to complete a task. We have not seen this happen yet, but weird stuff does go on there.

She almost seemed drugged like when she was with Ethan back in s2!