Ben vs Widmore

[Maxor127]

I'm starting to wonder if Penny is evil.  I'm not convinced that the Black Rock book led Widmore to the island.  I'm wondering Penny told her dad where the island was since it seems weird how she had these guys out in the middle of nowhere tracking electromagnetic disturbances or something and that that would lead her to Desmond.  And I'm still thinking Widmore meant something significant when he told Desmond that he wasn't the one who had a problem with Des.

[lostatsea]

I have been saying it for years now that the island was Widmore's at one time and Ben took it from him, thats why Widmore wants it back so bad. He can not find it and he knows what it is capable of. I just wanted to go back on record as saying it was Widmore's island, maybe even paid for it's building on the island for Hanso/Dharma....

now I am happy agian.....

[DoomSter]

A Q: what did Widmore mean when telling Ben " I KNOW WHO U ARE BOY, I KNOW *WHAT* U ARE "

what is Ben? really....a demon?
just a thought.

[MangoBingo]

I'm starting to wonder if Penny is evil.  I'm not convinced that the Black Rock book led Widmore to the island.  I'm wondering Penny told her dad where the island was since it seems weird how she had these guys out in the middle of nowhere tracking electromagnetic disturbances or something and that that would lead her to Desmond.  And I'm still thinking Widmore meant something significant when he told Desmond that he wasn't the one who had a problem with Des.

I have a theory about Charles and Penny's relationship - but it's a bit wacky: http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=7564.0

[jugdish]

A Q: what did Widmore mean when telling Ben " I KNOW WHO U ARE BOY, I KNOW *WHAT* U ARE "

what is Ben? really....a demon?
just a thought.

I think he means the purge and killing that he is a bad bad man

[LostinLock]

I'm starting to wonder if Penny is evil.  I'm not convinced that the Black Rock book led Widmore to the island.  I'm wondering Penny told her dad where the island was since it seems weird how she had these guys out in the middle of nowhere tracking electromagnetic disturbances or something and that that would lead her to Desmond.  And I'm still thinking Widmore meant something significant when he told Desmond that he wasn't the one who had a problem with Des.

Watch this episode again, as Widmore told Benjamin that the island is his and will be again.  He also told Ben he would never find Penny...then he said the hunt is on for the both of us.
The Black rocks log was more than likely not what led him there, it was 1996 in Desmonds last time travel that he purchased the log.

A Q: what did Widmore mean when telling Ben " I KNOW WHO U ARE BOY, I KNOW *WHAT* U ARE "

what is Ben? really....a demon?
just a thought.

I believe he is refering to his background and what Ben did to get where he is today.  

[LostAndSeek]

Watch this episode again, as Widmore told Benjamin that the island is his and will be again.  He also told Ben he would never find Penny...then he said the hunt is on for the both of us.

So, you reckon Penny's on the Island?

[Shoeless]

I don't have the capacity/knowledge to:

Watch this episode again . . .

yet; but I thought Ben was shaking and/or fumbling with the key once inside the elevator prior to confronting Widmore - or did I misinterpret? Anyone? TIA 

*trudges along in 1 flipflop* 

[JBRam]

I don't have the capacity/knowledge to:

Watch this episode again . . .

yet; but I thought Ben was shaking and/or fumbling with the key once inside the elevator prior to confronting Widmore - or did I misinterpret? Anyone? TIA 

*trudges along in 1 flipflop* 

Go to ABC.com and watch the episode free there.

I did think he took a little while to find the key, but he had a few keys there.

[Shoeless]

Thanks, JB - am planning on it; just as soon as my poor 2 li'l brain cells can get around what I'm still digesting. Such an awesome epi - ditto this site 

[NorthShoreOGLost]

My thoughts on some of the issues in this thread:

"I know what you are boy" was definitely a reference to Ben being a manipulating murderer.

Penny and Daddy poo are now arch rivals, especially after Penny reconnected with Desmond after he went missing.  She's in love with Desmond more than ever.  Plus she knows her daddy hates him so all the more reason for them to be at odds.  I think the tracking station in the snow was part of Penny's efforts to find Desmond before Widmore does b/c she knows what her daddy's all about.

To me, Widmore being Ben's constant is a no doubter (thus, the reference to not being able to kill him).  This could explain so much!

A buddy of mine really believes that everything will fall into place with the entire LOST story as we find out more and more about what happened in Ben's life between boyhood and the present.  So much missing - and I seriously doubt the missing time period was filled with lounging around on the couch at "bookclub"!

[WhatThe]

I wonder what was causing Widmore to have nightmares to the degree he needed to keep scotch next to his bed?

[opgelost]

Maybe Ben & Widmore can't kill each other because they are each other's constant!

Your constant is something you care a lot about.

[Rebel 3:16]

I wonder what was causing Widmore to have nightmares to the degree he needed to keep scotch next to his bed?

I innitially thought this meant Widmore had been to the Island and was having nightmares much the same as Jack (S03 finale). Maybe Widmore's desire to return to the Island is deeper than just wanting to take it back but if he has been to the Island maybe it (or Jacob) is willing him to return, only Ben is stopping him. I cant think of any other reason why he would refer to having nightmares to his sworn enemy.

[LostAndSeek]

We need a Widmore flashback!!