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« on: March 21, 2008, 08:59:45 PM »

Has anyone else discussed this yet? Maybe they worked together at some point, and theat is why they are so against each other and kind of know what the other will probably do in certain situations???
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2008, 09:10:13 PM »

Well, if Widmore is behind Dharma, then Ben and his father indirectly worked for him until the purge.
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2008, 09:33:14 PM »

I don't think that there is a time in which they could have worked together. Ben grew up on the island, there wasn't much of an opportunity for them to work together.
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2008, 10:05:55 PM »

Thanks for posting this, I was thinking the same thing! Grin

If we think of the timeline when Desmond went back to 1996 on his most recent time travel, we ran into Mr. Widmore purchasing the lost ship's log from the Black Pearl. It was being sold from a Hanso, who we all know are relations to a degree.  Which we also know that Hanso was the financier for the Dharma project.

Could Widmore be a subcontractor to any of the projects we don't know for sure, but we do know that Widmore "products" have consistently shown up in the show, from pregnancy test to a sign when Desmond time travelled the first time, well at least known to the viewers.

Back to the 1996 segment, when Widmore won the bidding on the ships log he had 8 years to figure out the islands mystery and look for it. That log must have some information about the island. His knowledge of the island could be even prior to Penny and Desmond breaking up.  Because he hosts the boat race around the world.  Was that in hopes to stumble on the island like other boats.  So far there are three ships/boats we know of  made it to the island the Black Rock, Danielle's boat (well as we know to date this is open to debate as we never saw her ship that ran aground..hmmm)  and Desmond's sailing yacht.

As to the relationship between the two, we have been shown, not factual at this point, that Ben has multiple passports, various foreign currency and we don't know that he has never left the island. So he may have swindled, promised or whatever but why would Widmore want him dead if Ben hadn't pulled something on him.  Also we know that Ben had that video of Widmore...if he didn't know him why would he have the video.  He knew who was on that freighter when he was in the wheelchair speaking to Michael from his hidden room.  If you recall the time line, that was last season after the spinal surgery.  So yes, there is a connection.

We saw Widmore's disdain for Desmond when he wouldn't share a glass of scotch with him and called him a coward.

Widmore like Ben are men likely to seek revenge and do whatever they can to gain what they want. 

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water on this one, in my humble opinion(IMHO) I have suspected that Widmore has been involved for a long time as well as Ben.  IMHO Ben was capable having digging up bodies, buying plane shells etc.  This is more than king of the hill viewers................. Shocked


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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2008, 09:33:48 AM »


  Because he has hosting the boat race around the world.  Was that in hopes to stumble on the island like other boats. 


I rather like this idea. Widmore has an idea where the Island is, so sponsors a race that will take dozens (hundreds?) of boats into that general vicinity in hopes of a hit. Then Desmond decides to sign on.  Wink
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2008, 10:54:56 AM »

It stands to reason, yes an oxymoron on LOST, that he must have some knowledge of this island or the phenomenon of the island because he wanted that ships log.

Oh well, time is will tell us here. 
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2008, 01:53:49 PM »

I have wondered how widmore even knows anything about the island and with Ben and his gang going back and forth it is possible that there has been contact.
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2008, 05:49:57 PM »

I have wondered how widmore even knows anything about the island and with Ben and his gang going back and forth it is possible that there has been contact.

Thant's what I'm trying to say...i think they know how each other plays...that is why they go to the lengths they do to convince whom ever is around at the time!  I think in the following weeks,months....we will see how they are connected.

Bad business deal go sour???
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2008, 08:19:32 AM »

I have wondered how widmore even knows anything about the island and with Ben and his gang going back and forth it is possible that there has been contact.

Thant's what I'm trying to say...i think they know how each other plays...that is why they go to the lengths they do to convince whom ever is around at the time!  I think in the following weeks,months....we will see how they are connected.

Bad business deal go sour???

Kart--- this conversation has been going on in another thread about Keamy and I have been of the same thought that there has been a stronger connection between these two.

So as I poured yet another cup of coffee- the three season porch is calling me----I thought of the comment Miles made to Ben about 3.2 million dollars.

Which makes this mind go a wandering...as it had for many a person...why that amount of money?  I mean why not 4.2 or 2.3... Well, maybe that is what Ben stole from Charles Widmore. 

Miles has the ability to see things, so either he knows this from being near Ben or Widmore sent them there for that money.  Of the latter I think not.  I believe it is the betrayal that Widmore would spend his energy.

It is obviously about the island.................. Now that we have seen some of the scenes for the 24th we have been shown some things that now we can make connection.

Example when our boys went to visit the Captain they noticed the helicopter was gone.  Earlier Keamy had told Lapidus not to be late for a meeting.  Sayid asks if they had gone to the island as there was no Qwik E mart for them to run an errand.

Hmmm a few people got picked off....
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2008, 11:00:32 PM »

Oh yeah.... they not only know each other, but he stole from Charles Widmore!!!!!!!!!!!! So they know each other and have a connection!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

I am sorry but I said why would someone come after another person with such vengance....

I love this ..... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2008, 07:05:07 PM »

Well, don't make too much of this yet. Ben basically stole his Island, yes? This doesn't imply a past working relationship except that it now seems certain that Widmore was one of the powers behind Dharma and Ben worked for Dharma.
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2008, 11:45:08 PM »

I'm pretty sure this theft means how Ben headed up the purge.
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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2008, 08:36:48 AM »

Or at least played an integral part. I agree.
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2008, 07:59:12 AM »

Well, don't make too much of this yet. Ben basically stole his Island, yes? This doesn't imply a past working relationship except that it now seems certain that Widmore was one of the powers behind Dharma and Ben worked for Dharma.

I am taking the term working together loosely because if Widmore is involved with Dharma, then technically they worked together Wink

But my point is how does a man like Ben get that close to Charles Widmore?   Or maybe that is the point of discussion in general.

Where and how did their connection start?  Was he an employee, if so was it through the Dharma project?  Or did Benjamin bring attention to himself when he removed the Dharma people?

I think this is going to be one of those questions that is not going to be episode specific but more on general topics, because we all have some thoughts on this.  Granted not all agreeing but ...

Well, I am hoping that we get some more answers in the weeks to come.
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