Who ARE the "Good Guys???"

[LouE68]

There are no good guy or bad guys, it's all perspective...

[Staggerlee]

What about the spy video, not the beating, but the "killing the villagers" for the sake of "all man kind" to test whatever...Is backed by Widdy? 

Does distance from the actual crime keep his hands cleaner than Bens?

If I'm remembering the right scene, nothing like this has happened, right? We just have Ben's word that Widmore will do something like this. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a rare moment of truth for ol' google eyes, but we certainly can't just accept his word.

The vid I am remembering is the one where the camera is behind the boxes, there's a "Scientist" discussing the "plan" with some others, a "welcome to hanso" type of thing, then they chase the camera man/woman and the vid goes out.
Not sure if the testing they were discussing was gone through with though. But what was discussed was testing some kind of virus for the 30% solution idea.

[LostAndSeek]

Yikes! I don't remember that at all! What epi was it in? Must go rewatch....

[LouE68]

wasnt it the Lost exerience?

[Staggerlee]

Yikes! I don't remember that at all! What epi was it in? Must go rewatch....

One of the extras, caught in on Youtube, will hunt it up...

[LouE68]

Yikes! I don't remember that at all! What epi was it in? Must go rewatch....

One of the extras, caught in on Youtube, will hunt it up...

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=2446.0

[Staggerlee]

still hunting...saw those from the other thread,

this one was a hand held job, someone behind some boxes, illicit filming, spy person, discovered when light reflects off the camera lens, is tackled, vid over....

[Staggerlee]

Am beginning to think it was TLE...and am not sure if that is, what is referred to as "canon".

soooo...if i can hack my Histories here deep enough, will post....

[LouE68]

Yikes! I don't remember that at all! What epi was it in? Must go rewatch....

One of the extras, caught in on Youtube, will hunt it up...

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=2446.0

its on here...the sri lanka video....the 2nd half of the video...thanks for reminding me PL

[Staggerlee]

You are certainly one of them things they refer to as angels...or just a great all around Lost-o-phile!!!


it is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PPCCcXarkc

Starts at 3:51 in....

soooo is this stuff Canon, so to speak???

[goober]

There are no good guy or bad guys, it's all perspective...

Exactly!

[casino]

I think they are both evil in their own way.

Here's the thing, though:  I heard a quote one time that said "Some men are able to face danger because they themselves are dangerous."

Well, if it's important that the island be kept out of Widmore's hands, then isn't it best to have someone on the other side who is just as powerful and conniving and ruthless as Widmore?

I don't know Ben's motives, but I do think that he is the best person to have going up against Widmore right now.

[Staggerlee]

I do agree, that logic is sound.

Wondering though, is there any example in recent or past history where that came around to bite the backer's of one side or the other in the rear?

[thebeann]

I think one of the things that makes LOST such a good show IS the gray area between "good" and "evil."

It is compelling when the 'good' people do bad things...maybe for the right reason, maybe not. And likewise, sometimes the 'bad' people do things but their reasons are justified...maybe for the greater good.

I really thought Ben was truly one of the 'good guys' but now I'm not so sure. When he shot Locke, we started to see a little of the spoiled, possessive Ben. He seemed to do it solely because Locke was able to communicate with Jacob. Either Ben wanted that power only for himself, or he was afraid that Locke would find out something. Either way, in my head he stepped on the line of maybe NOT being justified for the greater good.

In "The Other Woman" when he got possessive over Juliet, he stepped over that line. There is something noble about doing bad things for the right reasons. Jealousy and manipulation to the point of sending someone to their death (Goodwin, presumably) just so you can have a woman all to yourself...now that is not noble. It's evil.

So far, other than Widmore being a protective father, I have not seen anything really compelling making him out to be pure evil. Okay, so we saw him beating up someone...but we don't know WHY. His motives could be 'for the greater good.'

I for one am hoping that we find out that Widmore is the one that clued Penny in on Desmond's whereabouts. Like, maybe he isn't so bad.

[Staggerlee]

Perfectly well put:

"I think one of the things that makes LOST such a good show IS the gray area between "good" and "evil." "

There is no "Black and White", only Grey...to think otherwise is to be one whose not yet put their
paintbrush to palette yet...

One individual's belief of what is Evil is another's good, very well put out for us here in this story, and qualified by thebeann.


This very well should be retitled "Whom is the Lesser of the two Evils", but really it wouldn't matter...

Is there anything now to redeem Ben after his displays of selfish, psychotic megalomania?
Can he claim "for the greater good" for his actions towards and about Juliet?

Widdy thus far has seemed most likely the protective father, but evidence is he may not be, more forthcoming I hope to sway it one way or the other. But him being a possible backer of a 30% solution for the safety of mankind might change his visage for some.
Him just telling Des to go to her so she can tell him it's over for good, did not hold muster for me, a bit out of character for him, ulterior motives seem to be on the menu...