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Re: The Tempest
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2008, 08:58:55 PM »
I think you're missing the point the Tempest reference makes.

You have this man, Prospero, stranded on an island, with a shape-changing spirit named Ariel as his servant (which also possesses free will, though). Guess what? it's his servant because he saved it from imprisonment. He magically arranges for a ship carrying people from his past to crash near the island, and separates the passengers into small groups. Then he sets things up so that the bad ones are punished, and the good ones rewarded. He's the master writer of an extremely intricate plot, and successfully makes everyone do anything he wants, although they believe it's their own choice.

It's been a few years since I last read it, but as far as I remember (also double-checked Wikipedia), it wouldn't be too far-fetched to say that

Prospero=Ben
Ship=oceanic flight 815
Ariel, the spirit= the black smoke
the passengers = well, the passengers, so we're left to find out what Ben wants with them

A long, LONG time ago I remember there was a thread on the similarities of The Tempest with the Lost island, long before we realized how manipulative Ben is. Now more evidence of Shakespearian influence arises. (and that's the only, ONLY thing I liked about this episode, sadly)

edit: and oh, yeah: smokey could have been imprisoned (or created and then imprisoned) by DHARMA for experiments, and thus Ben earns its loyalty by releasing it, either through the purge, or after it. At the same time, i do NOT believe that everything smokey does is directed by Ben. But could it be?
nice catch. i love the LOST symbolism. its funny cause i just read about faraday in my physics class the other day.

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Re: The Tempest
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2008, 11:35:33 PM »
So then who is Caliban?

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Re: The Tempest
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2008, 12:46:01 AM »
The sorcerer Prospero,(BEN)  rightful Duke of Milan, and his daughter, Miranda,(ALEX)  have been stranded for twelve years on an island, after Prospero's jealous brother Antonio—helped by Alonso, the King of Naples—deposed him and set him adrift with the three-year-old Miranda. Prospero secretly sought the help of Gonzalo(?) and their small and shoddy boat had secretly been upgraded to be more than sea worthy, it had been supplied with plenty of food and water, it had an excellent library (BENS LIBRARY) and contained surviving material in case the boat capsized. Possessed of magic powers due to his great learning and prodigious library, Prospero is reluctantly served by a spirit,(SMOKEY) Ariel whom he had rescued from imprisonment in a tree. Ariel was trapped therein by the African witch Sycorax,(JACOB) who had been exiled to the island years before and died prior to Prospero's arrival; Prospero maintains Ariel's loyalty by repeatedly promising to release the "airy spirit" from servitude, but continually defers that promise to a future date, namely at the end of the play. The witch's son Caliban,(RICHARD?) a deformed monster and the only non-spiritual inhabitant before the arrival of Prospero, was initially adopted and raised by the Milanese sorcerer. He taught Prospero how to survive on the island, while Prospero and Miranda taught Caliban religion and their own language. Following Caliban's attempted rape of Miranda, he had been compelled by Prospero to serve as the sorcerer's slave, carrying wood and gathering pig nuts. In slavery Caliban has come to view Prospero as a usurper, and grown to resent the magician and his daughter, feeling that they have betrayed his trust. Prospero and Miranda in turn view Caliban with contempt and disgust.

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Re: The Tempest
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2008, 10:52:58 AM »
It sure sounds like there are a lot of parallels between " The Tempest" and what's going on with the Island.

As for Ben controlling the Smoke Monster, I have never believed that to be true.  I believe it is an entity of the Island, and the Others may know how to avoid it or keep from triggering it's appearance, but none of them, including Ben, know how to control it.

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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2008, 03:20:40 PM »
It sure sounds like there are a lot of parallels between " The Tempest" and what's going on with the Island.

As for Ben controlling the Smoke Monster, I have never believed that to be true.  I believe it is an entity of the Island, and the Others may know how to avoid it or keep from triggering it's appearance, but none of them, including Ben, know how to control it.

Ditto!

And thanks a billion, Tex, for your summary.  Great parallels!

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Re: The Tempest
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2008, 04:50:31 PM »
has anybody made out the dharma logo on the front door?

Definately a hexagon but I cant tell whats inside it,

ref: http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2008/03/4x06-inside-and-outside-the-te.php

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Re: The Tempest
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2008, 05:09:12 PM »
Ariel = Jacob?

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Re: The Tempest
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2008, 04:53:23 PM »
has anybody made out the dharma logo on the front door?

Definately a hexagon but I cant tell whats inside it,

ref: http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2008/03/4x06-inside-and-outside-the-te.php

It's a wave.

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Re: The Tempest
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2008, 05:34:38 PM »
Maybe this was mentioned in another thread, but since there was some talk about Locke, did anyone else think it was weird that Locke would try to approach Jacob with a large group of people? Perhaps it's something the writers are trying to communicate to us about Jacob, such as, only some people can approach/commune with Jacob. So far, we know Ben, John, and Hurley can. On another topic, I also agree that it's getting frustrating to see John still not learning from mistakes, but there's also times that he does have the upper hand. That being said, however, we gotta see some progression of his character soon to keep me interested. I don't want John to end up like Kate in my mind, who I'm mostly bored with and sick of.

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Re: The Tempest
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2008, 07:20:08 PM »
Welcome col81!

Sorry to have to do this. Juggy! Col81 just said something bad about Kate!!!

Yeah, the Locke bringing a crowd has come up before. Check out the threads under Episode 1 this season and you'll see a bunch.

A lot of people think Hurley saw Jacob, but I'm not one of them. He saw two people in the cabin. We don't know that either was Jacob.

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« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2008, 07:29:12 PM »
That's true, but he at least saw the cabin, which is more than that group could say.

Also, didn't want to step on toes about kate! I actually end up agreeing with Jug on nearly everything he posts, so it's too bad there's a difference on Kate. I'm disenchanted with Kate. :( But she's still hottest on the island IMHO.

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Re: The Tempest
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2008, 07:42:50 PM »
True, that.

OK, well, that might mollify Juggy. We'll see.  ;)

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The Tempest
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2008, 03:14:16 AM »
hey all. just thought i'd put up a link about the tempest.. that shakespear play.. it talks about how a guy and his daughter are on an island...
typical lost.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tempest

there you go.

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Re: The Tempest
« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2009, 08:39:40 AM »
By William Shakespeare

It put remarkable performances. I am proud of this person!