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Re: Widmore (the economist)
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2008, 12:12:56 AM »
I think Widmore set up Des and organized Libby to give him the boat. He could of screwed up the navigational system. But that also menas she was planed to be on the plane, or just an amazing coincidence.

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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2008, 12:13:33 AM »
Libby was probably also working for Widmore,  And has been discussed that she could be Pennys step sister or something to that effect.  But she gave the boat to Des.  Maybe there is a tracking device or something in the boat.

Also when we see her in the crazy house, maybe she is not watching Hurley but watching the guy that knows the numbers.
Now thats a cool theory... :)

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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2008, 12:25:03 AM »
So how does Desmond getting stuck on the island help Widmore find it?  Why didn't he send a group of specialists if he was so interested.

Anyways, I was a bit disappointed by the whole Widmore thing.  Especially his motives... basically greed to exploit the island for gullible people.  Seems like a bad James Bond plot.  I hope Widmore isn't really top dog and that someone else is pulling his strings.

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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2008, 12:34:02 AM »
Not saying it helps him find it. It was more that he was a sacraficial lamb. Send someone I hate and see if he can get to the island. He knows the general area but can't get there safetly. He sent Desmond but could not track him there. Sent Henry Gale but he could not survive.

Just a theory off the top of my head.

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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2008, 12:40:41 AM »
Anyways, I was a bit disappointed by the whole Widmore thing.  Especially his motives... basically greed to exploit the island for gullible people.  Seems like a bad James Bond plot.  I hope Widmore isn't really top dog and that someone else is pulling his strings.
Agreed, but I don't buy it. I think Widmore's reasons for wanting the island are not what Ben told John. Ben lies. A lot.

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Re: Widmore (the economist)
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2008, 12:46:22 AM »
Not saying it helps him find it. It was more that he was a sacraficial lamb. Send someone I hate and see if he can get to the island. He knows the general area but can't get there safetly. He sent Desmond but could not track him there. Sent Henry Gale but he could not survive.

Just a theory off the top of my head.
just to add to your theory...he could have tracked it, but lost the track...any numerous reasons to have lost the tracking device...the storm, the anomoly take your pick...same for Henry Gale...maybe they knew the troble with mechanical means of entering the area f the island...a balloon? again the same problems with the tracking device...

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Re: Widmore (the economist)
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2008, 02:41:13 AM »
Could Libby be some type of a "Talent Scout"....Working for Widmore?

I mean Widmore puts this crack team together with the help of the "Oceanic Lawyer" to find the Island and kill Ben

Libby is in the funny farm with Hurly and is on the plane and gives Des the boat

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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2008, 02:56:11 AM »
Concocting a fake sailing race in order to hopefully get Desmond to maybe think winning the race would help him in Widmore's eyes...then getting Libby to somehow get into a conversation with Des in a coffee shop, and somehow steer the convo towards sailing so that she could offer Desmond a boat, a boat that Widmore placed a tracking device on, and hopefully Desmond will say "yes" and accept it. All in order to trick Desmond into hopefully maybe possibly finding the island mentioned in the Black Rock pirate ship journal he just bought. Because instead of using the best nautical engineers and researchers and scientists and experienced sailers that his billions can buy to sail out and try and discover the island, he'd rather use his daughter's goofy loser boyfriend as a guinea pig and just float his ass in the general direction of where he thinks the island might be.

If that's what the writers had in mind in explaining Desmond ending up on the island, they've done a piss poor job of it.

It would be sooooooooooo damn much more satisfying if there really WAS a sailing race sponsored by Widmore, and that Desmond decided to enter it and win the man's own race as some melodramatic attempt to "prove" himself to Penny's dad (and to himself, as it goes). Libby and Des crossing paths in the coffee shop would not be a mere coincidence, but neither would it be a plant by Widmore. This show's philosophy is that there are no "mere coincidences", that all our lives cross and re-cross in ways you'd never think about or realize but which turn out to be important. Within that philosophy Libby wouldn't have to be "sent" to give Desmond the boat...it would have been "fate" that she were to give it to him.

So Desmond accepts the boat from a grieving Libby...sets off on the race around the world...only to crash onto the very same island Daddy Widmore has been searching for years, even decades maybe, to find. Think about it...Mr. Widmore is spending millions of dollars and years of energy and research to try and find the island, and his daughter's goofy loser boyfriend just stumbles upon it without even trying lol...that would HAVE to be galling to Mr. Widmore.

And maybe Widmore finds out later through his connections that Desmond is on the island (like maybe Kelvin reports back to his people in the real world at some point, and tells them that a man named Desmond washed up on shore and is now pushing the button with him). Widmore keeps it secret from Penny (he still doesn't like Des, afterall), but Penny eventually discovers it on her own (as was mentioned last week, maybe she's snooping around, maybe she overhears a conversation...something like that). So while Daddy Widmore is conducting his search for the island for evil purposes, Penny starts her own secret search for the island in order to find Desmond.

Eventually, Desmond turns the fail safe key ("I love you Penny.."), the island is "visible" for a quick moment, and both Daddy Widmore's search team AND Penny's search team detect it. Mr. Widmore sends the freighter to the general location of the detection, but Penny doesn't know about it ("not Penny's boat"). Once she and Charlie connect and he tells her that Desmond is on the island and safe, Penny becomes even more energized to find him. Charlie informs Penny of the boat, telling her that Desmond thinks she sent it...she has no clue about any boat but quickly realizes it might be her father's. After the transmission is lost, now Penny knows two things: Des is alive, and that there's a boat nearby that might have something to do with her father. She quickly discovers that good ol' dad did indeed send a freighter out to the area that her team detected the signal from, and gets the number (?) to the boat, and starts calling like crazy. Unfortunately for her, the crew was already ordered to ignore any and all calls that may be from her should they receive any (Mr. Widmore most likely found out about her separate search for the island and Des, and gave this order to the freighter as a precaution ahead of time).

Anyway, that's a more straight forward (and longer lol) explanation of how Des ended up on the island (and everything else that came afterwards). It's a scenario I would prefer over the "Fake Widmore sailing race/Libby is a plant/Tracking device on boat/Let's send Desmond, he'll do anything" scenario.

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Re: Widmore (the economist)
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2008, 03:18:10 AM »
It is a real race.

This is the Race it is called the BOC challeng I have posted it before I know sailing and I know the race it is held every 4 years
http://www.sevenoceans.com/SoloAroundTheWorld/AroundAlone98_99/AroundAlone19981999.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VELUX_5_Oceans_Race
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Re: Widmore (the economist)
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2008, 04:22:18 AM »
We also know they have the technology to travel ahead in time to see the future ;)

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Re: Widmore (the economist)
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2008, 09:25:06 AM »
I think Ben and Widmore are in cahoots (i hate that word). But I can just see them being partners in this somehow. ::)

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Re: Widmore (the economist)
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2008, 11:14:18 AM »
WhatThe's post above puts it in good, clear terms. Nice work.  :)

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Re: Widmore (the economist)
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2008, 01:18:24 PM »
Ben seems to be somewhat of an economist when he's off island.  Hmmmm.

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Re: Widmore (the economist)
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2008, 06:50:41 PM »
I don't think Widmore had anything to do with Des crashing. I'll keep an open mind as to whether Daddy had anything to do with Libby. I could see him wanting to give Des enough rope to hang himself. Sure, try the race, you twit, and when you fail it'll just confirm my opinion of you.

Given that Ben is honesty challenged, I'm still not sure Widmore's behind the boat. I think he is, but I wouldn't consider this confirmed as yet. If he is, it could be just greed, but it also could be health benefits. He's gettin' along in years.

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Re: Widmore (the economist)
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2008, 01:07:18 AM »
I don't think Widmore had anything to do with Des crashing. I'll keep an open mind as to whether Daddy had anything to do with Libby. I could see him wanting to give Des enough rope to hang himself. Sure, try the race, you twit, and when you fail it'll just confirm my opinion of you.

Given that Ben is honesty challenged, I'm still not sure Widmore's behind the boat. I think he is, but I wouldn't consider this confirmed as yet. If he is, it could be just greed, but it also could be health benefits. He's gettin' along in years.

well from what weve seen before widmore is not aversed to violence. so if he wanted to get desmond out of the picture, why not just drag him somewhere secluded and beat him to death. there is something much more foul afoot when it comes to widmores relationship with desmond.