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Offline Maxor127

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Widmore doesn't have a problem with Des
« on: February 29, 2008, 03:22:19 AM »
Surprised no one else mentioned this yet that I've seen.  It jumped out at me during the episode.  Desmond basically asked Widmore why he has a problem with him and Widmore responded that it wasn't he who had a problem with Desmond.  So who has a problem with Desmond if not daddy Widmore?  My first instinct was Penny and that she's been playing Des the whole time.  But everything about them seems sincere so I have hard time imagining it, which is why I can't discount it because it would be a good shocker.  But I think that conversation was significant and I guess a bit under the radar.  Or maybe I'm missing something completely obvious and there's no mystery at all.  I'm not really focused tonight.

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Re: Widmore doesn't have a problem with Des
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2008, 03:26:31 AM »
At the beginning of the episode when Des was on the phone with Penny (1996), she said somhing like "you dumped me and joined the army" I know my girlfriend would be pretty pissed about that. And im nowhere near as handsome as des.

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Re: Widmore doesn't have a problem with Des
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2008, 03:33:04 AM »
Widmore was arrogantly confidant that Penny had dumped Des for good, so no need being a jackass towards him anymore. "Hell, I'll even give you Penny's address so she can shoot you down herself."

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Re: Widmore doesn't have a problem with Des
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2008, 10:59:45 AM »
Widmore didn't get to be the rich and powerful guy that he is by being stupid, though.  I don't think it was arrogance -- I think it was a carefully calculated move to give Des the address.  He wanted Des to talk to Penny for some reason (some reason other than "Nyah, nyah, I'll let her shoot you down," I mean.  That doesn't seem to be a likely action of a coldly calculating businessman with something very very very important at stake.)  I have no idea what that reason could be, though.  Any thoughts?

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Re: Widmore doesn't have a problem with Des
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2008, 11:10:47 AM »
Widmore was arrogantly confidant that Penny had dumped Des for good, so no need being a jackass towards him anymore. "Hell, I'll even give you Penny's address so she can shoot you down herself."

This was it exactly. he thought she would dump him for good. She was not nice to him during the call or the visit to her place.

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Re: Widmore doesn't have a problem with Des
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2008, 11:16:32 AM »
Widmore was arrogantly confidant that Penny had dumped Des for good, so no need being a jackass towards him anymore. "Hell, I'll even give you Penny's address so she can shoot you down herself."

This was it exactly. he thought she would dump him for good. She was not nice to him during the call or the visit to her place.

If that's what happened, it was putting an awful lot of trust in "the fickle heart of woman."  Daddy was banking a lot on Penny's staying ticked at Des.  That just doesn't seem characteristic of him, to me -- he seems like the type who never trusts anybody, even his own daughter.  But, we don't have a lot of canon details, so maybe Penny's his weak spot...

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Re: Widmore doesn't have a problem with Des
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2008, 11:35:34 AM »
Widmore was arrogantly confidant that Penny had dumped Des for good, so no need being a jackass towards him anymore. "Hell, I'll even give you Penny's address so she can shoot you down herself."

This was it exactly. he thought she would dump him for good. She was not nice to him during the call or the visit to her place.

If that's what happened, it was putting an awful lot of trust in "the fickle heart of woman."  Daddy was banking a lot on Penny's staying ticked at Des.  That just doesn't seem characteristic of him, to me -- he seems like the type who never trusts anybody, even his own daughter.  But, we don't have a lot of canon details, so maybe Penny's his weak spot...

I am married with two daughters, and I put an HUGE amount of trust in the fickle heart of a woman :)

Look, Desmond knows Widmore hates him.  He cares, but seriously...how many of us guys haven't dated a girl whose Dad hated us?  Once you learn to handle it, then it's hard for them to really make you feel bad.  Now, once you've broken up and THE GIRL hates you...well, that's a whole new ball game, and I think Widmore knew that.  When he says what he says to Desmond, he's really saying "Hey, I'm not your problem anymore.  You want to talk to someone who REALLY hates you?  Here's her address.  And, it will be even worse because you actually CARE what she thinks, which I know is not the case with me."

That's what I think he meant by bringing up the fact that Penny would have married him if they hadn't broken up.  I think he's recognizing that he can only hurt Desmond so much because Desmond doesn't like him either, but PENNY can REALLY hurt him, so he's glad to turn Des over to her for an emotional beating.

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Re: Widmore doesn't have a problem with Des
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2008, 11:48:29 AM »
That's a great explanation, casino, but I just can't help but think there's something else going on there.

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Re: Widmore doesn't have a problem with Des
« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2008, 11:59:42 AM »
My point was that Widmore said he doesn't have a problem with Desmond, and it sounded like he meant something by it as if someone had it in for him.

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Re: Widmore doesn't have a problem with Des
« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2008, 12:07:46 PM »
Widmore was arrogantly confidant that Penny had dumped Des for good, so no need being a jackass towards him anymore. "Hell, I'll even give you Penny's address so she can shoot you down herself."

This was it exactly. he thought she would dump him for good. She was not nice to him during the call or the visit to her place.

If that's what happened, it was putting an awful lot of trust in "the fickle heart of woman."  Daddy was banking a lot on Penny's staying ticked at Des.  That just doesn't seem characteristic of him, to me -- he seems like the type who never trusts anybody, even his own daughter.  But, we don't have a lot of canon details, so maybe Penny's his weak spot...

I am married with two daughters, and I put an HUGE amount of trust in the fickle heart of a woman :)

Look, Desmond knows Widmore hates him.  He cares, but seriously...how many of us guys haven't dated a girl whose Dad hated us?  Once you learn to handle it, then it's hard for them to really make you feel bad.  Now, once you've broken up and THE GIRL hates you...well, that's a whole new ball game, and I think Widmore knew that.  When he says what he says to Desmond, he's really saying "Hey, I'm not your problem anymore.  You want to talk to someone who REALLY hates you?  Here's her address.  And, it will be even worse because you actually CARE what she thinks, which I know is not the case with me."

That's what I think he meant by bringing up the fact that Penny would have married him if they hadn't broken up.  I think he's recognizing that he can only hurt Desmond so much because Desmond doesn't like him either, but PENNY can REALLY hurt him, so he's glad to turn Des over to her for an emotional beating.

Not a problem for me since my daughter is forbidden to date until the day after I die :)

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Re: Widmore doesn't have a problem with Des
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2008, 01:27:11 PM »
Yeah Goober until college comes...

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Re: Widmore doesn't have a problem with Des
« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2008, 01:55:10 PM »
Didn't Des go to jail for a while or was that someone else?  Do we know what year that was?  Maybe Widmore just hated him more after he went to jail but that hasn't happened yet in 1996.

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Re: Widmore doesn't have a problem with Des
« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2008, 01:56:43 PM »
My point was that Widmore said he doesn't have a problem with Desmond, and it sounded like he meant something by it as if someone had it in for him.

Some times, almost most of the time, it is what it is. He wanted Des to get humiliated by Penny. She was hating him. No bigger story here.

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Re: Widmore doesn't have a problem with Des
« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2008, 02:05:58 PM »
If that's what happened, it was putting an awful lot of trust in "the fickle heart of woman."  Daddy was banking a lot on Penny's staying ticked at Des.  That just doesn't seem characteristic of him, to me -- he seems like the type who never trusts anybody, even his own daughter.  But, we don't have a lot of canon details, so maybe Penny's his weak spot...

I agree. I think Widmore is not a saint, but maybe he does what he does thinking it's for the good of his daughter (whom he loves very much, I'm speculating).

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Re: Widmore doesn't have a problem with Des
« Reply #14 on: February 29, 2008, 02:25:53 PM »
Didn't Des go to jail for a while or was that someone else?  Do we know what year that was?  Maybe Widmore just hated him more after he went to jail but that hasn't happened yet in 1996.

yes your right and he kept all his letters to penny intentionally from her.  he picked des up from jail and told him never to contact her.  Why would he be so hateful to him in the future but not now? 

I think he's similar to Ben- he knows what has to happen for the future to take place, so he's not stopping Ben.