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Re: Dude, that sucked
« Reply #15 on: February 29, 2008, 12:28:18 AM »
At least it did not make me think of that... some conspirators believe that Ben was already looking up at the sky before we saw the plane, but I just think he was reacting to the loud noises from above.

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Re: Dude, that sucked
« Reply #16 on: February 29, 2008, 12:34:52 AM »
Funny one man's trash.....I thought it was one of the greatest episode's ever

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« Reply #17 on: February 29, 2008, 12:40:07 AM »
Personally i think this was one of the better episodes we have seen in a while. probably the best of the season.

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« Reply #18 on: February 29, 2008, 12:44:00 AM »
Personally i think this was one of the better episodes we have seen in a while. probably the best of the season.

quite so agree with ya, on that one, answers galore, and a few new intriguing questions...
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Re: Dude, that sucked
« Reply #19 on: February 29, 2008, 12:50:44 AM »
Funny one man's trash.....I thought it was one of the greatest episode's ever
I think you nailed it on the ONE. Everybody else seems to think it was great!;)

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Re: Dude, that sucked
« Reply #20 on: February 29, 2008, 07:31:27 AM »
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...it was the brain collapsing with the back and forth and not being able to deal with it.
Oh, my bad. I mistook that for something contrived.  ::)

I agree.  I mentioned to my husband who is a fan of sci-fi about half way through the show that I was losing interest in Lost as a story for the second time (I hated Flashes...sorry) and wished I'd just not watched The Constant since I had a hunch it would be the time travel stuff all over again.  He said he felt time travel worked best when the whole story takes place in the future... making it easier for people like me to find it more acceptable since the complete story is sci fi in nature.  It's all fiction mind you and I understand the difference since, but this episode just left me cold.  I'm not confused, just disappointed. 


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« Reply #21 on: February 29, 2008, 09:07:42 AM »
I think Writers_Strike disliked it too. As he said, "Phone call = fixed time traveling just ruined it for me."

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« Reply #22 on: February 29, 2008, 09:44:24 AM »
I think Writers_Strike disliked it too. As he said, "Phone call = fixed time traveling just ruined it for me."

I actually thought this was one of the best parts of the "time travel" line, and people who don't like time travel should be happy about it because, along with only being able to transport one's consciousness,  it limits the use of time travel in the show. Think about it: No "future Des meets past Des and warns him about something," or "past Des goes into the future and has to hide from future Des to keep from freaking him out" stuff to deal with, and these are two of the major time travel cliches.  Also, they just can't travel willy-nilly through time, because if they don't have "the Constant" to anchor them in both places, their brain eventually explodes.  That keeps them from doing stupid stuff like going back and trying to stop WWII or something.  I think they have placed enough limits on it to make it an interesting part of the show but not the solution to every mystery on the show.

I thought the phone call thing was very creative.  I also think the "Constant" idea shows just where they are with time travel at that point.  Basically, they can start the process of sending your consciousness back and forth, but they don't have the process dialed in so well that they can stop it from flipping back and forth until it explodes your brain, so you have to establish some highly emotional connection in each time period to anchor that part of your consciousness there, giving it a waypoint to find it's way back to after it's been flipping around through time. 


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« Reply #23 on: February 29, 2008, 09:50:02 AM »
this is the first time they have actually made "traveling to and from the island" the main character of the story. Locke isnt "one" with the island, Desmond is. If you want to know the island, look at des.

Des did not travel to and from the island. First of all he was not on the island. THis had to do with the effects of traveling from the island, in getting away from it. Second Des did not travel, but his conscious did.

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Re: Dude, that sucked
« Reply #24 on: February 29, 2008, 10:08:00 AM »
this is the first time they have actually made "traveling to and from the island" the main character of the story. Locke isnt "one" with the island, Desmond is. If you want to know the island, look at des.

Des did not travel to and from the island. First of all he was not on the island. THis had to do with the effects of traveling from the island, in getting away from it. Second Des did not travel, but his conscious did.

Keep preaching it, keep preaching it...hopefully it will catch on....like Christianity....with out the blood shed etc.......
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« Reply #25 on: February 29, 2008, 10:08:28 AM »
this is the first time they have actually made "traveling to and from the island" the main character of the story. Locke isnt "one" with the island, Desmond is. If you want to know the island, look at des.

Des did not travel to and from the island. First of all he was not on the island. THis had to do with the effects of traveling from the island, in getting away from it. Second Des did not travel, but his conscious did.

Well, he did travel some -- he travelled from the island in the helicopter, where they encountered (something? did lightning actually strike them?) which triggered the "travelling" of his consciousness.  I got the impression that if he hadn't travelled from the island (going through that thunderhead or whatever it was), that he wouldn't have done the time-travel.

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« Reply #26 on: February 29, 2008, 10:13:15 AM »
this is the first time they have actually made "traveling to and from the island" the main character of the story. Locke isnt "one" with the island, Desmond is. If you want to know the island, look at des.

Des did not travel to and from the island. First of all he was not on the island. THis had to do with the effects of traveling from the island, in getting away from it. Second Des did not travel, but his conscious did.

Well, he did travel some -- he travelled from the island in the helicopter, where they encountered (something? did lightning actually strike them?) which triggered the "travelling" of his consciousness.  I got the impression that if he hadn't travelled from the island (going through that thunderhead or whatever it was), that he wouldn't have done the time-travel.

They explained it on the episodes. Daniel asked Jack and Juliet if Desmond had recently been exposed to a larfe magnetic source. He had when he turned the failsafe key. The pilot could not keep the exact path because of the storm, so Desmond was affected by not staying on the exact path and being in the hatch implosion. Yes the traveling from the island triggered it.

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« Reply #27 on: February 29, 2008, 10:14:03 AM »
I think Writers_Strike disliked it too. As he said, "Phone call = fixed time traveling just ruined it for me."

I actually thought this was one of the best parts of the "time travel" line, and people who don't like time travel should be happy about it because, along with only being able to transport one's consciousness,  it limits the use of time travel in the show. Think about it: No "future Des meets past Des and warns him about something," or "past Des goes into the future and has to hide from future Des to keep from freaking him out" stuff to deal with, and these are two of the major time travel cliches.  Also, they just can't travel willy-nilly through time, because if they don't have "the Constant" to anchor them in both places, their brain eventually explodes.  That keeps them from doing stupid stuff like going back and trying to stop WWII or something.  I think they have placed enough limits on it to make it an interesting part of the show but not the solution to every mystery on the show.

I thought the phone call thing was very creative.  I also think the "Constant" idea shows just where they are with time travel at that point.  Basically, they can start the process of sending your consciousness back and forth, but they don't have the process dialed in so well that they can stop it from flipping back and forth until it explodes your brain, so you have to establish some highly emotional connection in each time period to anchor that part of your consciousness there, giving it a waypoint to find it's way back to after it's been flipping around through time. 




now say this so a 2nd grader can get it...

sorry do not mean to be mean....it is just that the explanation is simple...."everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
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Re: Dude, that sucked
« Reply #28 on: February 29, 2008, 11:49:30 AM »
I agree with some of the people above: best lost episode EVER.

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« Reply #29 on: February 29, 2008, 12:16:53 PM »
I'm in between.  I thought the episode was well done, but I don't like the way the story has gone.  I don't get that Des was fine after speaking to Penny.  Does this mean that this condition can only happen to folks who are lost at sea and not able to reach their loved ones???  In other words, if someone like Shannon and Boone had been subjected to the same conditions as Des, wouldn't they never have known they were affected because they were always in contact with their 'constant', who it seems just needs to be someone or something the person cares about?  Sounds too cheesy for a scientific explanation to me. 

Also, as I posted elsewhere, they CANNOT avoid the contradictions of time travel.  They state the future cannot be changed, but had Des not gone back, even if only in his consciousness, Daniel would not have posted that entry in his journal and he would have spent that afternoon teaching his rat the new maze instead of experimenting on it and ultimately killing it.  Future altered!  Period!  And those were just a couple of small ripples.  If it were possible to go back in time it would be impossible not to change the future.