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Re: Why 3.2 million, Miles and Ben meeting
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2008, 04:01:15 AM »
Yeah, anti-climatic. For now.  We'll surely see later why they went this crass money route.  Keep in mind, tho, that Miles' talent pertains to the dead, of which Ben is surely not.  So there was gonna be no voodoo magic.  But perhaps we were hoping that Miles would reveal more concrete info about his employers, or exactly what Ben has been doing to irritate his employers.

Perhaps we ought to see this as a chess move, particularly, when a pawn is moved to a space in front of an opposing pawn.  Nothing can really happen until other pieces intervene.  So, see this scene as setup for later gameplay.

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Re: Why 3.2 million, Miles and Ben meeting
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2008, 04:04:20 AM »
Yeah, anti-climatic. For now.  We'll surely see later why they went this crass money route.  Keep in mind, tho, that Miles' talent pertains to the dead, of which Ben is surely not.  So there was gonna be no voodoo magic.  But perhaps we were hoping that Miles would reveal more concrete info about his employers, or exactly what Ben has been doing to irritate his employers.

Perhaps we ought to see this as a chess move, particularly, when a pawn is moved to a space in front of an opposing pawn.  Nothing can really happen until other pieces intervene.  So, see this scene as setup for later gameplay.

I prefer checkers  ;D ;D

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Re: Why 3.2 million, Miles and Ben meeting
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2008, 04:38:45 AM »
Hey, don't play this scene down people.

First of all, Ben seemed to have the same reaction we all did. "You set up this meeting to blackmail me?" Great line.

But it was what Miles said afterwards that got my attention. When he went off on his "Don't treat me like one of them" speech, he said something like "I know what you can do." I mean, granted his already working his jedi mind trick over on Locke, but Ben is still locked up. How is he going to get that kind of money on the island?

Well, it brought to mind the scene last year I think where Ben brings Locke's father. We don't fully know about Ben yet, we are like the 815's, we don't know Ben like Miles does. Maybe he has some special powers? Can he really conjure things, or is there some vault on the island?

Yeah, the scene seemed anti-climatic at first, but it fits in perfect with Miles' character. and Ben's reaction was classic.


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Re: Why 3.2 million, Miles and Ben meeting
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2008, 05:13:36 AM »
Ben has only been prisoner for 2 days. He probably knows that he can get free within a few days, either with his Jedi ways, or via some contingency plan whereby the Others are supposed to come look for him.  I have no doubt that Ben has that kind of money.  And he won't need a magic box to conjure it up, tho a printing press like the N Koreas are reportedly using to print counterfeit currently would be useful. No, I think he might have a vault with lots of cash to tap when his petty cash drawer in his California closet gets low.  Or, he could contact a Swiss bank and wire transfer Miles from his horde of wealth earned by pawning some of the island's technologies developed by Dharma. 

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Re: Why 3.2 million, Miles and Ben meeting
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2008, 05:19:03 AM »
yeah I'm guessing that miles know he has the money. that number sounded way too specific

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Re: Why 3.2 million, Miles and Ben meeting
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2008, 05:27:47 AM »
Money is not a typical LOST topic of interest.  But last week, Ben told Sayid about his $1 bet. We also saw Ben's petty cash drawer, while Sayid mentioned he paid a lot for the privacy of that golf course. We've recently learned about the big payouts to the O6 (was it last week?).  Now the $3.2 million. What gives? Are they trying to prepare us for the shock that it's merely money that's driving things, and not mystical forces?

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Re: Why 3.2 million, Miles and Ben meeting
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2008, 05:32:42 AM »
well i think its a motivation for Miles. remember the exorcism in his first flashback with that vacuum cleaner.

"Tell me where it is."

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Re: Why 3.2 million, Miles and Ben meeting
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2008, 06:04:31 AM »
With so many seasons remaining, and so many island mysteries left to uncover, there's no way Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, and one other (as Aaron is #5) get rescued now.  That'd leave too few main characters to play one against the other across three seasons.  Unless Brad 'You are a beautiful butterfly' Dourif gets airlifted onto the island; I could watch him battle Ben & Locke all day long.  Otherwise, Jack had better stick around, to see what's what at this temple...

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Re: Why 3.2 million, Miles and Ben meeting
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2008, 09:06:23 AM »
I think Miles is Bens man on the boat. Miles said "I know what you can do."  And we know Miles is all about the money so he corruptable. He also asked for privacy, I think their conversation was Miles asking for MORE money.   So far i am 0/2 on the season 4 predictions so i reallly need this one to come true.

Sorry if this is mentioned somewhere else already, I just finished watching ep4 and came straight to the site and homed in on this post.

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Re: Why 3.2 million, Miles and Ben meeting
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2008, 09:20:24 AM »
well i think its a motivation for Miles. remember the exorcism in his first flashback with that vacuum cleaner.

"Tell me where it is."

I wondered about this connnection too, but if I remember correctly he did not take the money or the drugs (which looked like heroin).  He put them back in the wall, didn't he?  I lookeda t it a couple of times because it didn't seem to make any sense for him to put it back in the wall when either he could have taken it or the mother could definitely have used it.

I wonder about the $3.2 million number.  Perhaps it has some special meaning to Miles, like it's payback for money that Ben stole from someone he knows, or maybe he "read" a dead person and knows that there was $3.2 million in cash on the plane when it crashed.

One other point:  Could it be that Ben is a drug king?  Miles finds heroin in the wall at the boy's house, and of course we have the plan full of heroin that crashed on the Island that up until now we have had no explanation for it being there.  Maybe Ben is selling drugs to finance his operations on the Island.

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Re: Why 3.2 million, Miles and Ben meeting
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2008, 09:25:11 AM »
I assumed it had to do with Ben's ability to travel on and off the island. If there are indeed time elements - there seems to be lots of Back to the Future references this season - he might be able to go back and bet sports, play lottery, whatever, providing access to endless wealth. If Miles knows what Ben can do, he knows that money is no object. $3.2 million did seem like an odd, specific number though.

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Re: Why 3.2 million, Miles and Ben meeting
« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2008, 09:29:06 AM »
How much did Hurley win in the lottery?  Maybe Miles knows that Ben has the capability to fix it and that's how much the current lottery in some particular state is at that time.

Also, what if Miles knows that Ben can get the money because he knows Ben is a drug lord?  Remember when he pulled the money and the small baggie of drugs (possibly heroin) out of the wall in the boy's room?  Then we also have the plane full of heroin that was crashed on the Island.  Maybe drugs are how Ben finances his operations on the Island and Miles knows.


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Re: Why 3.2 million, Miles and Ben meeting
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2008, 11:47:16 AM »
What Ben is capable of is using the power of The Island to arrange events in such a way as to bring about positive results, most likely due to foreknowledge of events*.  Imagine Desmond getting flashes at the casino or stock market, although I doubt Ben made his $3.2 million in such a mundane way. 

We were meant to pick up on the specific dollar amount, and just in case we didn't, Ben jokes "why not 3.3 or 3.4?"  The reason is most likely that either that is the exact figure Ben has in a particular bank account that Miles is aware of (due to some dead-talk he had with someone), OR that's the amount Miles owes his bookie, etc.

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Last week the conversation between Jack & Frank about the '04 World Series was evidence that time flows at the same rate both on and off the island.

I don't agree that this conversation is evidence of this, and I'll give you a couple of reasons.
- We don't trust Lepidus to correct Jack.  He is not there for the benefit of Jack, although he is on The Team of Science
- The pilot must suspect there could possibly be some time discrepency because even on the boat on the way there, Faraday was conducting his rocket-clock experiments.  Even a dim pilot (which is only an illusion imo) would see that at least some people must think that there's a time anomaly
- The most significant reason to strike down the evidence is that Jack was already stating something which should've caused Frank to correct him or at least raise a questioning eyebrow...

Jack said: "I can't believe it's been a hundred days since I've seen a game".  The game was on videotape.  It's most certainly been more than one hundred days since the game, which was October 27, a little over a month since the crash.  Already there's a discrepency from Frank's perspective, and that's regardless of any time anomalies.

You can't take the fact that Frank says nothing as evidence of anything.

EDIT: But this is off-topic.  If you disagree with me, let's take it up here:
http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?topic=7219.0


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Re: Why 3.2 million, Miles and Ben meeting
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2008, 11:47:32 AM »
I was also wondering if Miles could be Ben's man on the boat.  Maybe the whole coversation was a code for information he was passing on to Ben.  Similar to "Tell my sister I lover her" from Naomi.

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Re: Why 3.2 million, Miles and Ben meeting
« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2008, 12:03:56 PM »
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if you google 3.2 million dollars in google the first hit is about nanotechology- an early theory on what smokie was, but as far as i know the producers denied nanotechnology.

Did someone say nanotechnology?

http://www.thankyoufortakingmycall.com/mpeg/Nanites.wmv

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