Jack pulled the trigger on Locke

[Madam P]

Good points, Desmond!  Here I was thinking "Through the Looking Glass" just referred to getting "through" (or into) the Looking Glass Station.  (I'm so boring and literal!)  I like your observations -- the characterizations were really turned on their heads in the Season 4 opener.

For what it's worth, I agree with the observation that there was probably only one bullet in the gun (remembering back to the pit.)  Locke wouldn't have had access to more ammo to re-load, plus he was hauling butt to the radio tower to try to stop Jack so it's not like he could've stopped off somewhere for more bullets. 

He threw the knife into Naomi rather than shooting her a) because he could, and b) because he was saving his one bullet for some other crisis when he wouldn't have the element of surprise on his side.  If he'd had more than one bullet, surely wouldn't he have shot Naomi instead of skewering her?  I mean, he's good with a knife, but a shot has got to have a higher percentage of success...

I was appalled that Jack tried to blow Locke's head off for no reason other than anger/revenge.  I've never liked Jack much anyway, but this really sent him plummeting as far as I'm concerned.

[Dizzybeckster]

ok then... lemme throw this in the mix... what if the gun was loaded?.... Locke knew the Island would protect him because of their 'special' relationship, it would not let Jack kill him. He pushed Jack to see if he would shoot to find out just how much of an opponent Jack was. He sure knows loads more about Jack now - can't trust him, has potential for cold blooded murder in front of witnesses, is brutal... But I'll bet he keeps a closer eye on him from now on.....

You're exactly right, Becky.  As much as I hated what Jack did in that moment, the scene was all about Locke.  He pulled the fast one on Jack.  And this idea of Locke not really being afraid of death, injury, isolation, his past or his future is really making him into the ultimate hero - the ultimate Man of Faith (cape flying behind him).  What can a mere Jack Shephard do to him?  What can the Boaties do to him?  What can Ben do to him?  Nothing.  He's invincible.  LOVE IT!!!!  Hope someday Jack, and all of them can get there.

exactly why i LOVE LOCKE! maybe he's not the most upstanding or easily understood character, but he knows who HE is and HE will not compromise that!

woot woot the ladies agree!!

[Ladybug]

If you will notice, episodes are generally titled to indicate what will be an important theme in the following episode....  with the last being, "Through The Looking Glass."  In keeping with tradition, viewers did not get their glimpse "through the looking glass" until the Season 4 Premiere.

"Through The Looking Glass" is the follow up to "Alice In Wonderland," (referencing the books by Lewis Carroll) with its premise being that things are exactly the opposite of what they appear to be.  In S4E1, viewers were able to catch a glimpse of the alternate make-up of some of the Losties' character traits.  Consider Jack...he ended last seaeson by telling MrFriendly and Ben that he was going to kill them.  In SfE1 Jack has made the transformation complete inthat he had no idea the gun was unloaded when he was going to shoot Locke in the head, meaning he MEANT to kill Locke.  An exact 150 degree change from the Jack Shepard we met in S1.

We also saw a soft and caring side of Sawyer--the exact opposite of what we've seen in previous seasons.  We saw Hurley assume a lead role as a hero.  We saw Sayid as a follower.  We saw Ben not only wimpering like a scared child, we also saw him talk to Rousseau in a very familiar tone as if he's known her for years.  We saw Claire weep for Charlie, and ultimately, we saw Locke emerge as the Leader he's always wanted to be, but wasn't in the past.   Curiously enough, we saw Rose as a Jack supporter.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it   Thoughts?

season 4 cheers
*Des8


*Des8

you hit the nail on the head des!  during the re-showing of "through the looking glass" the pop-ups kept mentioning "mirror images."  (or was this during the re-cap?)  anyway, i've always been struck by how our losties (and even the other characters now) have changed, and done complete 180's. 

it's great to see you back!

[Laklost]

If you will notice, episodes are generally titled to indicate what will be an important theme in the following episode....  with the last being, "Through The Looking Glass."  In keeping with tradition, viewers did not get their glimpse "through the looking glass" until the Season 4 Premiere.

"Through The Looking Glass" is the follow up to "Alice In Wonderland," (referencing the books by Lewis Carroll) with its premise being that things are exactly the opposite of what they appear to be.  In S4E1, viewers were able to catch a glimpse of the alternate make-up of some of the Losties' character traits.  Consider Jack...he ended last seaeson by telling MrFriendly and Ben that he was going to kill them.  In SfE1 Jack has made the transformation complete inthat he had no idea the gun was unloaded when he was going to shoot Locke in the head, meaning he MEANT to kill Locke.  An exact 150 degree change from the Jack Shepard we met in S1.

We also saw a soft and caring side of Sawyer--the exact opposite of what we've seen in previous seasons.  We saw Hurley assume a lead role as a hero.  We saw Sayid as a follower.  We saw Ben not only wimpering like a scared child, we also saw him talk to Rousseau in a very familiar tone as if he's known her for years.  We saw Claire weep for Charlie, and ultimately, we saw Locke emerge as the Leader he's always wanted to be, but wasn't in the past.   Curiously enough, we saw Rose as a Jack supporter.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it   Thoughts?

season 4 cheers
*Des8


*Des8

you hit the nail on the head des!  during the re-showing of "through the looking glass" the pop-ups kept mentioning "mirror images."  (or was this during the re-cap?)  anyway, i've always been struck by how our losties (and even the other characters now) have changed, and done complete 180's. 

it's great to see you back!

Des' post describes this phenomena so well.  And LB, you made me want to watch the 3x22 rerun.  There is some amazing storytelling going on here.  I just watched "The Man from Tallahassee" again last night.  No wonder TOQ won the Emmy, and no wonder Locke is the man to follow.  Incredible.

[Point Place WI]

Bah Humbug!  Good Post Des

[Laklost]

Believe me, PPW, there's a reason Happy Jack is still my avi.  He's going to come around.  But he's screwed up right now.  Doesn't mean he isn't still the hero.  But he's really lost right now.  I just watched "Man from Tallahassee" last night and I'm quoting Locke here, "We're talking about Jack.  The first time I saw him he was pulling people out of wreckage trying to save all of us.  If he's [being an idiot], there's a reason."  Brackets mine. 

[Point Place WI]

Thanks Laklost, I will stick to my guns.  It's true he is being a wienie.  I'm not staying on an island where you can't get any nookie without killing women in the long run.  I just hated Hurley in the episode.  I know is that possible. 

[Desmond8MyPopRocks]

It's great to see all of you, including you newbies .  I didn't see the pre-show to the season premiere, but the idea struck me during the ever long hiatus.

For what it's worth, it's great for all of us to be back in black (as the mood seems to be on craphole island) and fantastic to  be milling over small points of interest, plotlines, easter eggs, "my theory is better than yours," and let us not forget the occassional "you suck" post...

We've got 6 epis to go.  That means 6 more epis to prove Kelvin is alive--this especially for Black Rock Bob

pullin the trigger cheers
*Des8

[lostfromthestart]

Believe me, PPW, there's a reason Happy Jack is still my avi.  He's going to come around.  But he's screwed up right now.  Doesn't mean he isn't still the hero.  But he's really lost right now.  I just watched "Man from Tallahassee" last night and I'm quoting Locke here, "We're talking about Jack.  The first time I saw him he was pulling people out of wreckage trying to save all of us.  If he's [being an idiot], there's a reason."  Brackets mine. 

I don't see Jack staying anything but screwed up.  He still appears so in "the future".  Unless he's just a roller coaster of personality...

[Collector]

Locke pointed the gun at Jack and told him not to call...he did it anyway and Locke didnt shoot him...Jack called his bluff, maybe the gun was already empty...odd for Locke to carry an unloaded gun? when is anyones behavior not odd...lol

Locke shot the gun into the dirt near the phone. Jack picked it up anyway and Locke either didn't have the heart to shoot him or was under orders not to.

Must have unloaded it later, knowing that he wasn't going to shoot anyone and that there were lots of people mad at him.

He did kill Naomi, so he probably just couldn't kill Jack. But keep in mind that Locke kileld Naomi with a knife, and not the gun, which is unlogical. Maybe it means Locke only had one bullet, and tried to scare Jack and then try to bluff him out.