future walt

[Laklost]

It was pretty much implied in "Three Minutes" in Season Two that Walt would need to go back to the "room" if he didn't obey Ms. Klugh's orders.  A lot of people felt that when they showed Karl in Room 23 we were seeing what Walt had experienced.  I'm not sure how deep that brainwashing affected either Karl or Walt.  I think the reveal was more that the Others were up to that kind of social experimenting.  And I repeat, the Others, not Dharma.

[LostAndSeek]

Also, in one of the mobisodes, it's strongly implied that Walt is in Room 23 and apparently in distress. There are a lot of dead birds just outside the room. So it seems a pretty safe assumption.

[LostinLock]

Thank you both for the update on Walt, I guess I am going to have to go back and watch that again.  I thought they were questioning him and not trying to brainwash him.  As Karl was disliked by Ben for his affections towards Alex.

As for taking Walt I thought it was for his abilities.  Again, not seeing either of these situation as a reason to brainwash anyone. 

but I have been wrong before...again thanks I will sit back and review.. 

[JBRam]

I think the room was used as a punishment, rather than attempting to brainwash. Many cults don't actually attempt to brainwash, just to show the people the "truth." Try going to a fundamental Baptist college such as BJU and not get "brainwashed" at least a little bit.

[Laklost]

I think the room was used as a punishment, rather than attempting to brainwash. Many cults don't actually attempt to brainwash, just to show the people the "truth." Try going to a fundamental Baptist college such as BJU and not get "brainwashed" at least a little bit.

Whoa, there big fella.  Brainwashing is not the same as teaching.  Teachings that people later reject was not brainwashing.  What was happening in Room 23 or Clockwork Orange IS brainwashing.

[JBRam]

I think the room was used as a punishment, rather than attempting to brainwash. Many cults don't actually attempt to brainwash, just to show the people the "truth." Try going to a fundamental Baptist college such as BJU and not get "brainwashed" at least a little bit.

Whoa, there big fella.  Brainwashing is not the same as teaching.  Teachings that people later reject was not brainwashing.  What was happening in Room 23 or Clockwork Orange IS brainwashing.

I'm not talking about the teaching... I was there (not for long), so I know what I'm talking about. My family uses repetition during debates (they're really bad at debating) at an attempt to brainwash.

(Not condemning the religion, nor calling it a cult even though it sounded like that)

[LostinLock]

If I remember Clockwork Orange was behavior modification for the bad boy and to me was perceived as a punishiment.

room 23 appeared to be placing Karl in behavior modification and as punishment for his apparent affection towards Alex.

So if Walt was thrown in there, then he was p;erhaps not behaving or responding to them as they wished.  Also since we never saw what he was exposed to in that room, we can jump to the conclusion that he was watching the same "video".

[JBRam]

If I remember Clockwork Orange was behavior modification for the bad boy and to me was perceived as a punishiment.

room 23 appeared to be placing Karl in behavior modification and as punishment for his apparent affection towards Alex.

So if Walt was thrown in there, then he was p;erhaps not behaving or responding to them as they wished.  Also since we never saw what he was exposed to in that room, we can jump to the conclusion that he was watching the same "video".

I thought it was for running away from the cage.

And that the cage might have been because of his affection for Alex.

And CAN we jump to that conclusion? Why would they show him a video like that? I think the vid would be tuned to match his psychological profile.

[LostinLock]

If I remember Clockwork Orange was behavior modification for the bad boy and to me was perceived as a punishiment.

room 23 appeared to be placing Karl in behavior modification and as punishment for his apparent affection towards Alex.

So if Walt was thrown in there, then he was p;erhaps not behaving or responding to them as they wished.  Also since we never saw what he was exposed to in that room, we can jump to the conclusion that he was watching the same "video".

I thought it was for running away from the cage.

And that the cage might have been because of his affection for Alex.

And CAN we jump to that conclusion? Why would they show him a video like that? I think the vid would be tuned to match his psychological profile.

JB that should have been a question mark. No we can't assume he was watching the same video... as I am in agreement with you that it would be tuned to him.  But I guess we may never have answers to stuff like that.  Karl is dead maybe the will revisit it, but they have had some issues with continuity on some things. Or maybe it was done on purpose.

None the less the point is simple our friend Walt will have to share that wth us soon, hopefully.

[Jungle Otter]

They did run tests on Walt - not sure if it was Room 23 (or Room 42-where they study the meaning of life) 

Walt can think of something and bring it to him or make it happen. I'm sure if he wanted to see the island - he could find it which means that he could be instrumental in getting the Oceanic 6 back to the island since Locke is now dead. Also the question remains - did Walt get a visit from Jeremy Bentham??

[CastawayCayley]

or Room 42-where they study the meaning of life

As soon as they find out what the question was.

Walt can think of something and bring it to him or make it happen. I'm sure if he wanted to see the island - he could find it which means that he could be instrumental in getting the Oceanic 6 back to the island since Locke is now dead. Also the question remains - did Walt get a visit from Jeremy Bentham??

well, yeah, according to what he said to Hurley at SRMHI. Or do you think he only saw a vision of Locke or was lying about it?

[Jungle Otter]

well, yeah, according to what he said to Hurley at SRMHI. Or do you think he only saw a vision of Locke or was lying about it?

Oh forgot about that - I doubt he was lying. Hmmmm.......since he has before, he also probably talked to Locke on the island...

[LostinLock]

I thought he said that he came to visit him and the rest of them didn't.  If he was off the island and now dead perhaps he did physically visit him

[matahari]

If I remember Clockwork Orange was behavior modification for the bad boy and to me was perceived as a punishiment.

room 23 appeared to be placing Karl in behavior modification and as punishment for his apparent affection towards Alex.

So if Walt was thrown in there, then he was p;erhaps not behaving or responding to them as they wished.  Also since we never saw what he was exposed to in that room, we can jump to the conclusion that he was watching the same "video".

I thought it was for running away from the cage.

And that the cage might have been because of his affection for Alex.


And CAN we jump to that conclusion? Why would they show him a video like that? I think the vid would be tuned to match his psychological profile.

JB that should have been a question mark. No we can't assume he was watching the same video... as I am in agreement with you that it would be tuned to him.  But I guess we may never have answers to stuff like that.  Karl is dead maybe the will revisit it, but they have had some issues with continuity on some things. Or maybe it was done on purpose.

None the less the point is simple our friend Walt will have to share that wth us soon, hopefully.

I agree that Karl & Walt's treatment was some sort of experimental psychology, it could have been modified to fit their behavior. In season 2(or 3), when Michael follows after Walt to rescue him, and is trapped by the Others, Mrs. Klugh asks if Walt wants to back into "the room." Walt protests. It seemed logical that we could jump to the conclusion that Walt was in a room like #23.

For the record, "Behavior modification" is a great term.

[LostinLock]

I do hope we get a flashback of what happened to Walt.... it would make sense.  As they have showed him in the montage for season five, but that was when he was visiting Hurley.