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Offline kkehoe5

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Flooding the hatch
« on: May 24, 2007, 11:07:22 PM »
Not sure about this, but if the whole hatch was pressureized then so was the room with Charlie in it. This pressure was keeping out 70 Meters of water from rushing into the bottom of the moon pool. So if the window breaks, wouldn't the water only flood up to the window? Or does that only work with a hole in the bottom?

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Re: Flooding the hatch
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2007, 11:10:02 PM »
Not sure about this, but if the whole hatch was pressureized then so was the room with Charlie in it. This pressure was keeping out 70 Meters of water from rushing into the bottom of the moon pool. So if the window breaks, wouldn't the water only flood up to the window? Or does that only work with a hole in the bottom?
REALLY, BAD BAD SCENE...

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Re: Flooding the hatch
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2007, 12:16:26 AM »
Not sure about this, but if the whole hatch was pressureized then so was the room with Charlie in it. This pressure was keeping out 70 Meters of water from rushing into the bottom of the moon pool. So if the window breaks, wouldn't the water only flood up to the window? Or does that only work with a hole in the bottom?

Once a water tight door is sealed that room is isolated. When the window was ruptured the air in the room obeys physics and moves up and out allowing the water to flow in and displace the same space and volume the pressurized air once occupied.  If the WTD had not been closed the whole place would have flooded.  In the big room the pressurized atmosphere in essence acts as a permiable window.  Should the pressurized atmosphere in the big room ever fail the station would flood also. 

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Re: Flooding the hatch
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2007, 12:18:07 AM »
Not sure about this, but if the whole hatch was pressureized then so was the room with Charlie in it. This pressure was keeping out 70 Meters of water from rushing into the bottom of the moon pool. So if the window breaks, wouldn't the water only flood up to the window? Or does that only work with a hole in the bottom?

Once a water tight door is sealed that room is isolated. When the window was ruptured the air in the room obeys physics and moves up and out allowing the water to flow in and displace the same space and volume the pressurized air once occupied.  If the WTD had not been closed the whole place would have flooded.  In the big room the pressurized atmosphere in essence acts as a permiable window.  Should the pressurized atmosphere in the big room ever fail the station would flood also. 
That's true, but they would have had time to swim out and leave, imho

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Re: Flooding the hatch
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2007, 12:37:43 AM »
I agree, JBRam.  So what's Desmond going to do now?  Stand there for a few minutes, then go "Well, I guess we're all done down here.  Switch flicked, check.  Yellow light not blinking, check.  All Others dead, ummmm... maybe I should check a pulse... (ya think????).... OK, check.  Charlie's destiny fulfilled, check.  Hmmm... OK, I guess I can leave now, no sense hanging around.  Hey, come to think of it, wonder why Charlie didn't just run out here and swim up with me?   Awwww, man!"   ???

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Re: Flooding the hatch
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2007, 12:41:26 AM »
Poor Des. He didn't have a chance at saving Charlie :(

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Re: Flooding the hatch
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2007, 01:36:08 AM »
Not sure about this, but if the whole hatch was pressureized then so was the room with Charlie in it. This pressure was keeping out 70 Meters of water from rushing into the bottom of the moon pool. So if the window breaks, wouldn't the water only flood up to the window? Or does that only work with a hole in the bottom?

Once a water tight door is sealed that room is isolated. When the window was ruptured the air in the room obeys physics and moves up and out allowing the water to flow in and displace the same space and volume the pressurized air once occupied.  If the WTD had not been closed the whole place would have flooded.  In the big room the pressurized atmosphere in essence acts as a permiable window.  Should the pressurized atmosphere in the big room ever fail the station would flood also. 
Nope, the first theory is correct. The air should leave the cabin until the level of the window. After that there's no way to the air leave. And Charlie would be stuck in a bubble.

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Re: Flooding the hatch
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2007, 03:40:50 AM »
I don't get why Charlie shut the door.  Seems like there would have been plenty of time to "outrun" the water coming in from that one tiny window. Weren't there any more wetsuits laying around?  What did the two women use to get down there? Mikhail brought his own.

How can Mikhail be still alive? He couldn't have "thrown" the grenade through the window if the fire extinguisher couldn't break it, so he had to hold it against the window in order for that explosion to do what he wanted, right?


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Re: Flooding the hatch
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2007, 03:47:07 AM »
Right.  If Mikhail is alive he has only one arm now.  With all that blood in the water maybe the Dharma shark will follow him and eat him!

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Re: Flooding the hatch
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2007, 09:28:17 AM »
So am I to assume that the whole underwater station was built just for the tiny little room with the blinking light?  They built that giant station just for that purpose?   ???

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Re: Flooding the hatch
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2007, 09:44:26 AM »
I don't get this whole scene.  Especially considering, as it has been said, that the room would only have flooded up to the window.  I have tried to explain it several different ways, and it makes no sense.  I think it was just a badly written scene.

I think the whole thing drives off of the "if we change what happened in Desmond's premonition then we change the overall outcome" idea.  In this case, Desmond sees Charlie drown and Claire get rescued so Charlie has to drown or Claire doesn't get rescued.  So, basically, even though Charlie could have gotten out alive, he arranged it so he didn't so that Desmond's premonition would happen as planned and Claire would get rescued.

I think the fact that he asked Desmond if he had any more "flashes" right before he punched in the code bears this out.  He was checking to see if he still had to go through with it, i.e. if he still had to die.  Desmond told him that he hadn't had any more flashes, so Charlie resigned himself to drowning, even though he didn't have to.

Another reason Charlie closed the door is because Desmond heard Penny and was coming to the room.  Charlie saw Mikhail pop the lever on the grenade and, maybe figuring that he was going to get hit by a blast of some sort, shut the door to protect Desmond.

My problem is that it was just a stupid way for Charlie to die, and using the premonition thing as a reason for his unecessary death does not sit well with me.  Sure, he closed the door to protect Desmond, but once the explosion occured and he was okay, why not open the door?  At first I thought the door was held shut by the water pressure, but he swung the door towards him, so the water pressure would actually have pushed the door open.  As large as that facility was, they should have had time to get out before it completely flooded.  The got down there without scuba gear....why couldn't they get back up without it?  Seems like it would be faster up than going down.

And, of course, add in that there should have been an air bubble in that room and, even if he was trapped in there, he should not have drowned anyway.

I don't know...it just seems like it could have been handled much better.  I was disappointed.

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Re: Flooding the hatch
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2007, 09:48:22 AM »
My only defense of charlie is that he 'wanted' to die and thus fulfill his destiny in the hopes that it would assure Claire and the rest their rescue.

I pointed out in my Initial reactions show (i think anyway) that charlie could have waited for equilibrium (with the door shut) while there was still air above the window and then swam out the porthole and made it to the surface without any breathing aperatus. After all, he made it down which is much harder.

...or he leaves the door open grabs a scuba tank and fins and swims away with desmond, even if they have to share.

But to answer the original question, no. The moon pool works because the surface area of the water is relatively small compared to the surface area of the air. So while it is true that the entire station would not flood only a small pocket of air at the ceiling would remain. Also, once the moon pool floods over the edge of the deck the whole equation changes and water starts coming in through the pool as well as the window. Still, they would have had at the very least a couple/few minutes to get a air tank.

Just an awful scene on balance.

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Re: Flooding the hatch
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2007, 11:27:07 AM »
Right.  If Mikhail is alive he has only one arm now.  With all that blood in the water maybe the Dharma shark will follow him and eat him!

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Re: Flooding the hatch
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2007, 11:54:30 AM »
The death scene reminded me of the steam roller scene from one of those Austin Powers movies.  Were the guy is laid out with a slow approching steam roller about to smash him