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Re: Is He My Father?
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2007, 07:32:40 PM »
Where are the children?  I asked this a couple of weeks ago after the brig episode.  I missed the details and didn't ever get a chance to review the episode....but are you guys sure that they showed all of the tailie kids that were taken?  I don't think that I've seen any kids (except Alex/Carl) in the last couple of weeks either. 

Anyway, it is reasonable to assume that some of the kiddies that were in school with Ben were around for the purge as well.  Did they all get gassed?  I would presume that the writers don't want to go there....killing kids after showing them in a school.....or were there no kids?

To take the latter train of thought, we would have to conclude that Dharma recruited you, wouldn't let you leave, didn't allow any more kids or pregnant ladies in, and had the same reproductive problems as the others.

So, combining the two, no gassing of kids and therefore no kids means that Dharma became something of Ann Lee's Shaker movement that opposed procreation entirely....or the Dharma people couldn't have kids either.

It would seem that if the Dharma people were aware of reproduction difficulties that they might not allow anymore women to come onto the island.  If there were no women, then the men would probably stop cleaning up and would probably watch too much television.  Because they were watching too much television, they didn't notice that these poorly dressed natives were meandering about planting gas canisters and donning gas masks.

So I think that likely Dharma was aware of the reproduction difficulties.

Anyway, if we don't see these kids around now who were taken, then where did they go?  Another group of others?

If the writers need an "out" to gassing kids, did the natives take the kids before the gassing?  Most likely choice and would give a nice origin to Carl who would have been conceived off the island, both parents gone, and raised by the natives as their own.

On the issue of the thread....Is he my father?....If you remember Alex's quote to Locke about Ben's manipulation, I think that it belies the feelings behind her most recent comment.  She has been manipulated into accepting a father figure the same way that Locke was....now it's time for her to get over it.

Alex will be the source of Ben's downfall.

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Re: Is He My Father?
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2007, 07:53:43 PM »
who else thought that when alex started running she was going to save locke.. i got pwned.

Seen this and couldn't read any further until I knew what the heck does "pwned" mean??
Internet game geek term for beaten down, in context here used because the person felt defeated by making an incorrect assumption.


I kinda got that from the context..but what do the actual letters stand for?

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Re: Is He My Father?
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2007, 07:54:27 PM »
The timing of Alex and Karl's age being the same as Rousseau's stated arrival date on the island seems to much to ignore.  Whether they were Dharma re-supply or something else remains to be seen.  I don't think Rousseau has been 100% forthcoming in all of her answers.  My bet is Karl is an orphan for some time.


Good point...I've never questioned her level of honesty.

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« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2007, 07:57:33 PM »
I would have to say that Dharma may have stopped bringing people to the island after they formed their initial community.  If that is the case, then all the other children Ben went to school with would be adults by now.  Hopefully the Hostiles wouldn't sink so low as to kill the kids.  If there actually were children from Dharma on the island it would seem like the Others would have taken them just like they took the kids from the plane. 

As far as your first question goes Puff, I only remember two kids from the crash.  Brother and sister that were taken the (second?) night.  They were with Cindy when Jack saw them.  That is my recollection.

*I thought 'pwned' was just mistyped 'owned' that took off as its own word

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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2007, 08:16:31 PM »
As sick and twisted as this BEN character is seeming to be...I HIGHLY doubt that our Lost Writers are taking us thru a child killing situation. If Ben's clan (NOW) kidnaps kids, what in the heck makes anyone think they didn't do it BEFORE? I would guarantee they took kids back in the day by the way the teacher was quick to chainlock the doors and hide the kids to the side of the classroom.

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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2007, 08:51:29 PM »
Ben's classmates would have all been young adults as Ben was by the time the Purge took place.  We didn't see any infants on the island, & we have to assume that the women weren't successfully giving birth all of those years, so I believe that Ben's generation of children were the last kids until Karl & Alex, & Zack & Emma.

Wheretheheck did Karl come from??  That's my big question right now. ???

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« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2007, 01:11:50 AM »
*I thought 'pwned' was just mistyped 'owned' that took off as its own word
Me too, just as I have seen several people do 'teh' on purpose in place of 'the'

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« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2007, 01:17:10 AM »
*I thought 'pwned' was just mistyped 'owned' that took off as its own word
Me too, just as I have seen several people do 'teh' on purpose in place of 'the'

DERRR chelle!! Get with it...


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Re: Is He My Father?
« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2007, 02:09:34 AM »
Perhaps Carl is the white step-son of the real Henry Gale and was raised by the others like a pack of wolves taking in a child.  Or, perhaps, the Others initially COULD have kids and it was only after the Benocaust that pregnancy was a deadly disease upon the island.  Sortof the island's version of payback.  I really like that one as it would explain Ben's preoccupation with making babies......since he is the one who spread this doom upon the once prolific natives.  Yes, that would make a lot of sense wouldn't it? 

The Dharma people, and the pre-Ben natives, could have children very normally.  It was only after the gassing that nature went awry.  Possibly, one could argue that it was due to the chemicals in the gas effecting the food chain....agent orange type stuff.....or it could be the island's masterful karma in action.

I'm going for the former....Ben's gas produced a Gulf War Syndrome picture in the Others (particularly the females).

A 2004 British study comparing 24,000 Gulf War veterans to a control group found that those who had taken part in the war had lower fertility and are 40 to 50% more likely to be unable to start a pregnancy. Among Gulf war soldiers, failure to conceive was 2.5% vs. 1.7% in the control group, and the rate of miscarriage was 3.4% vs. 2.3%.

Now, certainly these numbers wouldn't suggest the death of every mother exposed the Ben's cocktail, but it is interesting.  On a confined island, the effects of the gas....particularly in conjunction with whatever bizarre vaccines were given....may be magnified.

In this scenario, all who were on the island would be susceptible to the effects of the chemicals as they have possibly entered into the food chain.  Of course, the losties didn't get any vaccinations upon arrival....so maybe Sun will live.

The others should have recruited an epidemiologist rather than a fertility specialist who is not that attractive.  In the end, it is clear to me that the island's two scourges....death to mommies and the monster....are a direct result of the Benocaust!

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Re: Is He My Father?
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2007, 02:11:44 AM »
SHORTEN YOUR POSTS>>>>I GET HEADACHES TRYING TO READ YOUR THEORIES/IDEAS!!

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Re: Is He My Father?
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2007, 02:13:44 AM »
I wonder why if it WAS chemicals that caused the women to miscarriage, then why is the men's sperm count 5 times higher?

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Re: Is He My Father?
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2007, 02:14:36 AM »
Lack of women to be with...less sex...higher counts.



Not really my theory, just wanted to chime in.

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« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2007, 02:18:44 AM »
Lack of women to be with...less sex...higher counts.
Not really my theory, just wanted to chime in.
Umm, I don't think it concentrates over time...
maybe the electromagnetism is a reverse effect of x-rays, which supposedly kill off your little swimmers

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Re: Is He My Father?
« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2007, 02:26:37 AM »
Lack of women to be with...less sex...higher counts.
Not really my theory, just wanted to chime in.
Umm, I don't think it concentrates over time...
maybe the electromagnetism is a reverse effect of x-rays, which supposedly kill off your little swimmers


Well if it doesn't build up, why do the doc's tell you to SLOW down and do it less often? Make the lil shots worth more that way!

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Re: Is He My Father?
« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2007, 02:28:17 AM »
SHORTEN YOUR POSTS>>>>I GET HEADACHES TRYING TO READ YOUR THEORIES/IDEAS!!
A good post should like a ladies skirt -
brief enough to capture the attention and long enough to cover the essential bits.