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« Reply #75 on: April 20, 2007, 01:01:43 PM »
Maybe the use of the word decoy should not be used in conjunction with the helicopter. But, the helicopter may have still been unrelated to the jumper.  What would you think if I told you that they had attempted a helicopter penetration six weeks before they dropped a lone parachutist through the time/space bubble?


That would be cool to see played out on the show.  The Losties see it as one event, and it's actually two seperate events.....one failed helicopter resuce attempt that tells them they can't get an aircraft onto the Island, and a subsequent high altitude drop to set up a surface rescue attempt later on.

I still think the alternate time line scenario will be hard to play out on the show.  Kudos to you if it does.

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« Reply #76 on: April 20, 2007, 01:19:10 PM »
I'm sorry, I expounded upon my earlier post while you were typing.  I just didn't like it and wanted to rethink it.  Please see if the new thoughts above make more sense.

[proviso: if refering to my posting this time]
That's alright, I really couldn't determine at the time of writing if you were responding to my post or not it seemed like you were but didn't quite seem like your usual logical response to a post - so attempted a reply anyway - timelines almost as complex as current storyline ramifications ;D

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« Reply #77 on: April 20, 2007, 01:45:35 PM »
 :o Parachutes, parachutes, parachutes!
OK if aircraft must be at high altitude to be over the Island, how were the supplies dropped? I do not beleive that cargo drops like that can be made from high altitudes. I would think it would have to be lower, for more accuracy. Like trying to spit on an ant while you are standing straight up.
 Also, how did the ballon end up there and not stopped by shield/dome?
 At the altitude 815 was flying at when it broke-up, a cargo plane could not  accurately drop supplies.
 I don't have a conclusion here, just enabling my insanity.

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« Reply #78 on: April 20, 2007, 01:58:04 PM »
Like trying to spit on an ant while you are standing straight up.
Dude, now I totally have to go try this...  BBL

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« Reply #79 on: April 20, 2007, 02:25:04 PM »
Like trying to spit on an ant while you are standing straight up.
Dude, now I totally have to go try this...  BBL
my uncle taught me

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« Reply #80 on: April 20, 2007, 02:32:48 PM »
:o Parachutes, parachutes, parachutes!
OK if aircraft must be at high altitude to be over the Island, how were the supplies dropped? I do not beleive that cargo drops like that can be made from high altitudes. I would think it would have to be lower, for more accuracy. Like trying to spit on an ant while you are standing straight up.
 Also, how did the ballon end up there and not stopped by shield/dome?
 At the altitude 815 was flying at when it broke-up, a cargo plane could not  accurately drop supplies.
 I don't have a conclusion here, just enabling my insanity.

I was thinking about that, too.  How do you end up dropping supplies so close to the Swan station if you have to come in at a high altitude to avoid the EMG interference?

I don't think there is a physical "dome" above the place, like a force-field that repells things.  I think it just messes with stuff with a lot of metal content and electronics and so forth.  Henry Gale's balloon looked to be mostly fiberglass, and there was no engine to fail, so that's how it got there.

Since no one heard a plane for food drop, my guess is that there is a re-supply facility on the Island itself, and that drops are made by blimp.  No, I'm not kidding.  It would be the perfect way to make pinpoint deliveries at night without being heard.

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« Reply #81 on: April 20, 2007, 02:38:44 PM »
OK if aircraft must be at high altitude to be over the Island, how were the supplies dropped? I do not beleive that cargo drops like that can be made from high altitudes. I would think it would have to be lower, for more accuracy. Like trying to spit on an ant while you are standing straight up.

We never saw an airplane drop it. If the others are masters of deception, then they hauled the supplies to the drop zone and put a parachute on it to look like an air drop.

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« Reply #82 on: April 20, 2007, 03:00:00 PM »
:o Parachutes, parachutes, parachutes!
OK if aircraft must be at high altitude to be over the Island, how were the supplies dropped? I do not beleive that cargo drops like that can be made from high altitudes. I would think it would have to be lower, for more accuracy. Like trying to spit on an ant while you are standing straight up.
 Also, how did the ballon end up there and not stopped by shield/dome?
 At the altitude 815 was flying at when it broke-up, a cargo plane could not  accurately drop supplies.
 I don't have a conclusion here, just enabling my insanity.

I was thinking about that, too.  How do you end up dropping supplies so close to the Swan station if you have to come in at a high altitude to avoid the EMG interference?

I don't think there is a physical "dome" above the place, like a force-field that repells things.  I think it just messes with stuff with a lot of metal content and electronics and so forth.  Henry Gale's balloon looked to be mostly fiberglass, and there was no engine to fail, so that's how it got there.

Since no one heard a plane for food drop, my guess is that there is a re-supply facility on the Island itself, and that drops are made by blimp.  No, I'm not kidding.  It would be the perfect way to make pinpoint deliveries at night without being heard.
Good point, but in the pics there seem to be a lot of metal components with the balloons gondola. I would think the anomaly would at least damage, dent implode, or physically affect them in some way. For the same reason I can't get behind your well thought out blimp theory. Lot of metal in those aircraft, lot of instruments also. Paratroopers, skydivers, etc that make HALO jumps have the human element of control with them. A load of cargo/supplies is simply at natures whim, therefore, could not be a reliable way to hit the Island from way up there.

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« Reply #83 on: April 20, 2007, 03:04:45 PM »
:o Parachutes, parachutes, parachutes!
OK if aircraft must be at high altitude to be over the Island, how were the supplies dropped? I do not beleive that cargo drops like that can be made from high altitudes. I would think it would have to be lower, for more accuracy. Like trying to spit on an ant while you are standing straight up.
 Also, how did the ballon end up there and not stopped by shield/dome?
 At the altitude 815 was flying at when it broke-up, a cargo plane could not  accurately drop supplies.
 I don't have a conclusion here, just enabling my insanity.

I was thinking about that, too.  How do you end up dropping supplies so close to the Swan station if you have to come in at a high altitude to avoid the EMG interference?

I don't think there is a physical "dome" above the place, like a force-field that repells things.  I think it just messes with stuff with a lot of metal content and electronics and so forth.  Henry Gale's balloon looked to be mostly fiberglass, and there was no engine to fail, so that's how it got there.

Since no one heard a plane for food drop, my guess is that there is a re-supply facility on the Island itself, and that drops are made by blimp.  No, I'm not kidding.  It would be the perfect way to make pinpoint deliveries at night without being heard.
Good point, but in the pics there seem to be a lot of metal components with the balloons gondola. I would think the anomaly would at least damage, dent implode, or physically affect them in some way. For the same reason I can't get behind your well thought out blimp theory. Lot of metal in those aircraft, lot of instruments also. Paratroopers, skydivers, etc that make HALO jumps have the human element of control with them. A load of cargo/supplies is simply at natures whim, therefore, could not be a reliable way to hit the Island from way up there.

Ummmmm......Oomapah Loompahs, then?

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« Reply #84 on: April 20, 2007, 03:05:12 PM »
OK if aircraft must be at high altitude to be over the Island, how were the supplies dropped? I do not beleive that cargo drops like that can be made from high altitudes. I would think it would have to be lower, for more accuracy. Like trying to spit on an ant while you are standing straight up.

We never saw an airplane drop it. If the others are masters of deception, then they hauled the supplies to the drop zone and put a parachute on it to look like an air drop.
That makes sense too.

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« Reply #85 on: April 20, 2007, 03:40:19 PM »
I think she found the island, knew she couldn't land due to Widmore/Dharma knowledge of the Island (or couldn't find a suitable landing place in the dark), stepped out on the copter leg and jumped.  The copter was scuttled in the water and she floated to the island. 

Just a simple explanation for my simple mind.  Lets hope for a season 4 Naomi flashback.


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« Reply #86 on: April 20, 2007, 04:18:05 PM »
If one knew that a helicopter was losing control and power, the LAST thing you would do would be to jump from the thing.  First, helicopter blades continue to spin even when the motor is shut down simply on the basis of the air passing beneath them.  This is the principle of an autogyro.  If you can control the copter, you're better off staying on board for a controlled "crash" landing....particularly over water.  On the other hand, if the craft is spinning (rear rotor down), you would have a very hard time getting out due to the centrifugal forces and your jump would be very uncontrolled.  You would likely end up being the main course of the rotor food processor. 

The parachutist either meant to jump from the copter at it's maximum altitude and then let it crash or there were two crafts (the copter and something else).  In either case, the helicopter was a decoy.
I'm just asking because I don't know...I've never taken helicopter 101.1...But if a helicopter is going down...and you jump out...everything falls at the same rate....the blades still causing resistance would cause the helicopter to fall at a slower rate...again everything falls at the same rate...but the resistance makes the difference....

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« Reply #87 on: April 20, 2007, 05:43:38 PM »
Haha if they find a huge smilie face on the top of parachute, or Widmore Industries on the side of her helmet.

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« Reply #88 on: April 20, 2007, 05:57:58 PM »
If one knew that a helicopter was losing control and power, the LAST thing you would do would be to jump from the thing.  First, helicopter blades continue to spin even when the motor is shut down simply on the basis of the air passing beneath them.  This is the principle of an autogyro.  If you can control the copter, you're better off staying on board for a controlled "crash" landing....particularly over water.  On the other hand, if the craft is spinning (rear rotor down), you would have a very hard time getting out due to the centrifugal forces and your jump would be very uncontrolled.  You would likely end up being the main course of the rotor food processor. 

The parachutist either meant to jump from the copter at it's maximum altitude and then let it crash or there were two crafts (the copter and something else).  In either case, the helicopter was a decoy.
I'm just asking because I don't know...I've never taken helicopter 101.1...But if a helicopter is going down...and you jump out...everything falls at the same rate....the blades still causing resistance would cause the helicopter to fall at a slower rate...again everything falls at the same rate...but the resistance makes the difference....

Well, let's think about that....the wind resistence on the copter in a free fall may not be as great as it is for you and, hence, the thing may chop you up.  Or, you successfully get out and free fall for a while.....and then you open your chute just to watch this decending food processor come your way. 

What would be most wise would be to pull a pink panther and just before the helicopter smashed into the ground, jump out and land on your feet without a scratch....all to the cool sound of Henry Mancini in the background.

God, I miss that cartoon.

  Helicopter crash....accident, Parachute jump....not related to the crash.

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« Reply #89 on: April 20, 2007, 06:13:44 PM »
If one knew that a helicopter was losing control and power, the LAST thing you would do would be to jump from the thing.  First, helicopter blades continue to spin even when the motor is shut down simply on the basis of the air passing beneath them.  This is the principle of an autogyro.  If you can control the copter, you're better off staying on board for a controlled "crash" landing....particularly over water.  On the other hand, if the craft is spinning (rear rotor down), you would have a very hard time getting out due to the centrifugal forces and your jump would be very uncontrolled.  You would likely end up being the main course of the rotor food processor. 

The parachutist either meant to jump from the copter at it's maximum altitude and then let it crash or there were two crafts (the copter and something else).  In either case, the helicopter was a decoy.
I'm just asking because I don't know...I've never taken helicopter 101.1...But if a helicopter is going down...and you jump out...everything falls at the same rate....the blades still causing resistance would cause the helicopter to fall at a slower rate...again everything falls at the same rate...but the resistance makes the difference....

Well, let's think about that....the wind resistence on the copter in a free fall may not be as great as it is for you and, hence, the thing may chop you up.  Or, you successfully get out and free fall for a while.....and then you open your chute just to watch this decending food processor come your way. 

What would be most wise would be to pull a pink panther and just before the helicopter smashed into the ground, jump out and land on your feet without a scratch....all to the cool sound of Henry Mancini in the background.

God, I miss that cartoon.

  Helicopter crash....accident, Parachute jump....not related to the crash.
I think Bugs Bunny did it better...