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Re: The Helicopter
« Reply #60 on: April 19, 2007, 06:17:11 PM »
Some choppers are equipped with ejection systems.

The K-37:
"The system jettisons the five blades of the main rotor with explosive bolts at the roots on initiation. Then the canopy glass is jettisoned and the rocket assembly, the white cylinder at the top, is catapulted out of the cockpit. This is connected by a lanyard system to the aircrew and once the rocket ignites, this lanyard is used to extract the aircrew. The parachute is deployed rapidly afterwords."

This was not the case in the episode, however, as we heard the rotors continue to autorotate (as has been pointed out).  I speculate that the pilot, equipped for a High Altitude Low Opening jump, bailed while over the island (thinking she could later Sat-phone home) and either abandoned the vehicle or lect a co-pilot to struggle with The Island's electromagnetic anomaly.
see :o, mata?  like a reserve chute

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Re: The Helicopter
« Reply #61 on: April 19, 2007, 07:23:48 PM »
Some choppers are equipped with ejection systems.

The K-37:
"The system jettisons the five blades of the main rotor with explosive bolts at the roots on initiation. Then the canopy glass is jettisoned and the rocket assembly, the white cylinder at the top, is catapulted out of the cockpit. This is connected by a lanyard system to the aircrew and once the rocket ignites, this lanyard is used to extract the aircrew. The parachute is deployed rapidly afterwords."

This was not the case in the episode, however, as we heard the rotors continue to autorotate (as has been pointed out).  I speculate that the pilot, equipped for a High Altitude Low Opening jump, bailed while over the island (thinking she could later Sat-phone home) and either abandoned the vehicle or lect a co-pilot to struggle with The Island's electromagnetic anomaly.
see :o, mata?  like a reserve chute
I stand corrected! nice research creflo

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« Reply #62 on: April 19, 2007, 07:42:41 PM »
I'll be real disappointed, in fact pi**ed off if they don't go back to the beach where they saw all of this to see what gets washed up on shore, or maybe even swim out a bit to see if there's anything left of the fallen/crashed helicopter!

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« Reply #63 on: April 20, 2007, 10:13:53 AM »
I'll be real disappointed, in fact pi**ed off if they don't go back to the beach where they saw all of this to see what gets washed up on shore, or maybe even swim out a bit to see if there's anything left of the fallen/crashed helicopter!

Yeah lets go back and beachcomb for more tin shack roofing and attractive lounge chairs!!

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« Reply #64 on: April 20, 2007, 10:31:49 AM »
Some choppers are equipped with ejection systems.

The K-37:
"The system jettisons the five blades of the main rotor with explosive bolts at the roots on initiation. Then the canopy glass is jettisoned and the rocket assembly, the white cylinder at the top, is catapulted out of the cockpit. This is connected by a lanyard system to the aircrew and once the rocket ignites, this lanyard is used to extract the aircrew. The parachute is deployed rapidly afterwords."

This was not the case in the episode, however, as we heard the rotors continue to autorotate (as has been pointed out).  I speculate that the pilot, equipped for a High Altitude Low Opening jump, bailed while over the island (thinking she could later Sat-phone home) and either abandoned the vehicle or lect a co-pilot to struggle with The Island's electromagnetic anomaly.
see :o, mata?  like a reserve chute
I stand corrected! nice research creflo
it was news to me too, still was a botch , initially on my part.

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Re: The Helicopter
« Reply #65 on: April 20, 2007, 10:32:35 AM »
What helicopter?  Did anyone see a helicopter?  This was a diversion, plain-and-simple!  We know the Others have boats, and I assume they have a loudspeaker.  I think someone played a helicopter sound and a splash over a loudspeaker from way out at sea.  The light may have either been the 'chutist or another decoy, but I'll bet there was no 'copter!

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« Reply #66 on: April 20, 2007, 10:54:00 AM »
What helicopter?  Did anyone see a helicopter?  This was a diversion, plain-and-simple!  We know the Others have boats, and I assume they have a loudspeaker.  I think someone played a helicopter sound and a splash over a loudspeaker from way out at sea.  The light may have either been the 'chutist or another decoy, but I'll bet there was no 'copter!

I don't buy the whole "decoy" thing for a second.  The girl is not an Other, she was sent by Penny Widmore to find Desmond.  You can jump from a helicopter just as easily as you can from an airplane.  Sure, she had on a high-altitude type suit used in jumps from 30k ft or so,  which would be unecessary in a jump from a helicopter (max. altitude of around 16k ft), but  she had it on because the suit covered her whole body and face, which kept up the suspense of whether or not she was Penny until the last minute, when Desmond took the helmet off.  It had nothing to do with the height of the jump....it was just a good way to hide her identity until the last minute.

I'd also like to throw in the possibility that it could have been an Osprey instead of a helicopter.  They are VTOL (Vertical Take Off and Landing) aircraft that fly like airplanes but have wings that pivot to turn the engines upright so that they can take off/land/hover like a helicopter.  With an altitude ceiling of 26,000 ft, they could have been planning a HALO (high altitude low open) jump, which would explain her suit, but when the plane started to go down they could have pivoted the engines and tried to auto-rotate in, so it would have sounded like a helicopter crash.

 


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Re: The Helicopter
« Reply #67 on: April 20, 2007, 10:54:52 AM »
The Osprey being used for a HALO jump.

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« Reply #68 on: April 20, 2007, 11:13:06 AM »
My "if the high altitude suit actually means something" theory:  The rescue effort is mounted using an Osprey.  Over the Island, the engines are rotated to 45 degrees to slow air speed for a more accurate jump.  The parachutist bails at high altitude as planned, and the Osprey turns for home, runs into the EMG field, and crashes in close proximity to where the chutist ends up landing.  So, it looks like she bailed at low altitude because the plane was crashing, but in actuality she was already out of the plane at somewhere around 30k ft.  I seem to remember that we heard the aircraft splash and THEN we saw the red light.  I think she just happened to drift down in the same area as the aircraft.


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Re: The Helicopter
« Reply #69 on: April 20, 2007, 12:00:18 PM »
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My "if the high altitude suit actually means something" theory:  The rescue effort is mounted using an Osprey.  Over the Island, the engines are rotated to 45 degrees to slow air speed for a more accurate jump.  The parachutist bails at high altitude as planned, and the Osprey turns for home, runs into the EMG field, and crashes in close proximity to where the chutist ends up landing.  So, it looks like she bailed at low altitude because the plane was crashing, but in actuality she was already out of the plane at somewhere around 30k ft.  I seem to remember that we heard the aircraft splash and THEN we saw the red light.  I think she just happened to drift down in the same area as the aircraft.

If your looking for the least far fetched explanation I concur.

She parachuted out of the helicopter over the island (on her particular mission). After releasing her the pilot flew away from the island. The pilot then reduced altitude after he thought he had cleared the islands magnetic field however he got too close. Possibly the field caused the rotor to stall/slow(noise heard)/electronics jammed and the helicopter gentlysplashed into the sea.

If this did happen, then when she was released the helicopter must have been out of audio range in terms of altitude - I wonder how high this would have to be and if it equates to the need for a high altitude suit.

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1. maybe the suit had other protective qualities like electromagnetic protection/ overprotection against unknown environment. Remember the dharma supply drops seemed to occur when the magnetic shield was down maybe she needed this level of protection when dropping through the field?
2. the 'helicopter splash down' seemed quite small, unless the slowing/stalling  rotor was enough to ease the copter into the water with little splash back/noise etc.

« Last Edit: April 20, 2007, 01:00:36 PM by rjmb »

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Re: The Helicopter
« Reply #70 on: April 20, 2007, 12:21:40 PM »
If the craft had been able to penetrate the island's perimeter, then why didn't it just land?
 Well, it was dark you say.....Night vision goggles. 
Well, they were worried about hostiles.....Well, night vision goggles and guns. 
They were trying to do it stealthily......Well, then why send a helicopter in the first place?  Lot of noise and slow.

Maybe the use of the word decoy should not be used in conjunction with the helicopter.  But, the helicopter may have still been unrelated to the jumper. 

Can anyone see the parallel to the debate about Superman versus the Flash?  Superman can only bust through walls while the Flash can vibrate through them.
 
I think that they located the "shield," or whatever it is, and tried to blast through it.  They found that they could not.  However, possibly seeing what Claire saw.....birds.....moving freely across the barrier, they deduced that anything moving slowly got through.  On this basis, they followed two lines of thought....a helicopter and a jumper.  The night that they were to begin the operation, the parachute drop was conducted by a C-130 or C-47 or whatever from a high altitude.  This jump was coordinated with the helicopter penetration (love that word) so that, if they both got through, then the hostiles might miss one and the other would succeed.  The key piece of knowledge here is that both a helicopter and a jumper are SLOW.   

From the sound of the copter (it was not an Osprey, wrong noise), it wasn't overhead but was flying low....possibly trying to pass under the island's protection like it would to evade radar.  Despite this, the island responded (you can hear the scraping metal sound reminiscent of the monsta) and the helicopter petered and, quickly (!), dropped into the ocean without too much of a thud.  The thing was flying low and keeping low.  Again, this was it's method of penetration.  For it to suddenly increase altitude to drop a parachutist would be suicide.  It would immediately appear on the island's defences and get squashed.  In this case, it would be much better off just to stay low and to land on the beach.  This is what I think it was meant to do (which means that there may be survivors from the helicopter out there). 

Well, you say, maybe the helicopter flew under the island's perimeter and, seeing that it had crossed, raised it's altitude to allow a jump.  But, that would imply that the guys flying the ship had intricate knowledge of the island's attributes which none of us, the survivors, or those in the outside world do.

Two means of crossing a wall....Superman (helicopter) and Flash (parachutist).
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Re: The Helicopter
« Reply #71 on: April 20, 2007, 12:44:09 PM »
I'll be real disappointed, in fact pi**ed off if they don't go back to the beach where they saw all of this to see what gets washed up on shore, or maybe even swim out a bit to see if there's anything left of the fallen/crashed helicopter!

Yeah lets go back and beachcomb for more tin shack roofing and attractive lounge chairs!!

Maybe they could have recovered more tarps. Everyone seems to have several.

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« Reply #72 on: April 20, 2007, 12:47:55 PM »
If the craft had been able to penetrate the island's perimeter, then why didn't it just land?

Maybe accidental penetration of the perimeter is what caused helicopter malfunction and crash.


 Well, it was dark you say.....Night vision goggles.  
Well, they were worried about hostiles.....Well, night vision goggles and guns.


Better to be prepaired.....


They were trying to do it stealthily......Well, then why send a helicopter in the first place?  Lot of noise and slow.

Possibly a high altitude drop avoiding audio recognition of the copter hence the altitude suit as I said previously (though I don't know at what altitude a copter becomes inaudible, or if it does.) A drop from a stationary craft ie helicopter allows for greater accuracy.

Maybe the use of the word decoy should not be used in conjunction with the helicopter.  But, the helicopter may have still been unrelated to the jumper.  What would you think if I told you that they had attempted a helicopter penetration six weeks before they dropped a lone parachutist through the time/space bubble?

Sounds an interesting and exiting theory 8)

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« Reply #73 on: April 20, 2007, 12:58:36 PM »
I'm sorry, I expounded upon my earlier post while you were typing.  I just didn't like it and wanted to rethink it.  Please see if the new thoughts above make more sense.

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Re: The Helicopter
« Reply #74 on: April 20, 2007, 01:01:03 PM »
Agree puff. Parachutist jumped out and let helicopter crash.

***helicopters don't eject megetlost
Why not? LOL

This adds to the theory that any aircraft that gets too close is subjected to crashing... which explains the sub and why the food drops were let down with a parachute, not just dropped off...