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Re: The Helicopter
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2007, 09:55:21 AM »
I guess nothing from the outside can make it to the island in one piece.
I agree some kind of shield or distortion around the island possibly from the anomally.

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« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2007, 09:58:25 AM »
Likely more people on the helicopter, but it does not mean they survived.
I agree I think there was a crew, and this woman was not a part of the crew and she bailed!

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« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2007, 09:59:13 AM »
YES it is possible, I think what you're asking is if it's plausible.
Nothing is impossible, just highly improbable, LOL.
Anything is possible on this island Lou!  :)

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« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2007, 10:01:24 AM »
Did anybody catch Hurley's comments regarding the sounds the helicopter was making?  THERE WAS THE SOUND OF THE MONSTA IN THE BACKGROUND.

You can jump from a helicopter, but there would be no need for a pressurized suit and the positive pressure ventilation she was fitted with.  Also, a person jumping from the helicopter would free fall for a time to avoid the rotors....her glide path would therefore occur over lower altitude and it would be unlikely that she would have landed inland.

My conclusion, the helicopter crashed and a lady parachuted in two separate events.
Huh? What did you just say in your conclusion? ???

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Re: The Helicopter
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2007, 10:02:28 AM »
neither are humans...aka mikail

I don't wanna start any rumors but.... Mikhail had a belly button ring.
LOL! And I just thought he had an Outtie! :D

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Re: The Helicopter
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2007, 12:04:46 PM »
it bugs me that the 'copter survivor really resembled Alex. 
...........  if they have a sub, why not a helicopter? Alex boosted the helicopter and ran out of talent trying to fly it away.

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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2007, 12:39:48 PM »
Four guys on a beach hear a helicopter.  The sound begins to change and Hurley asks if that the sound that a helicopter should make.  There's some extra sounds thrown in reminiscent of the monster and the helicopter crashes.  I believe that the helicopter's engine or electronics (and engine) shut down, the softer sound was of the blades autorotating, the craft floated down spinning with a "gentle crash" into the ocean.

Now, why the heck jump out of a helicopter unless it's crashing?  That's the advantage of a chopper, to land in inhospitable locales. 

So, we may assume that the person jumped because the helicopter was going to crash.  But, again, that doesn't quite fit.  The parachutist was high overhead when the group spotted her.  Additionally, she landed far inland.  If the copter was ever that high overhead, the sounds would have been more staccato and the group would have been peering more vertical.  In this case, the helicopter would have crashed on the island or there would have been a fear by the group that the thing was going to come down on them.

Where I am going with all of this is the idea that the island has a security perimeter and that perimeter was occupied by the helicopter while the parachutist "snuck in."  In other words, the helicopter was a diversion.

Here's more evidence.  Helicopters can't fly at high altitudes.  They're usually capped at around 6000 meters because they must constantly displace their weight in air pushing downwards through the main rotor.  If the air is thin, then the blades have to spin a lot faster to displace such weight.  OK.  So now we understand helicopters.

One doesn't normally jump from a helicopter, as mentioned above, because that defeats the purpose of the aircraft.  Moreover, the lady that jumped was wearing gear designed for a very high altitude jump....special ops type stuff.
---a light pressure suit for high altitudes (the record is over 100,000 feet)
---a blackened suit and nonreflective parachute for stealth night jumping...special ops.
---a substantial and thickened protective eye shield (for cold, physical or other(?) interference, etc)
---a pressurized mask allowing breathing above 15000 feet
---gloves (it gets cold way up there)
---insulated boots

This lady was dropped from very far overhead, free falled for a long time, and then crossed whatever barrier surrounds the island at a time synchronized to occur with the helicopter entering/being intercepted/and crashing.  This lone jumper was able to make it through where a plane, helicopter, or ship is repelled.

The helicopter was a decoy.  Maybe nobody on board (Why didn't the group go look for survivors of the helicopter?).

Penny appears to be throwing great resources into her search and has been previously unsuccessful.  This strategy would evolve from prior, more direct, failed attempts at reaching the island.

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Re: The Helicopter
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2007, 12:42:15 PM »
Fair point, the flashing red light seemed some way out shore too, but maybe its just me.

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Re: The Helicopter
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2007, 12:49:03 PM »
or... maybe she realized the helicopter was going to go down and jumped out while over the island and then helicopter continued until it fell in the water.

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« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2007, 01:34:59 PM »
If one knew that a helicopter was losing control and power, the LAST thing you would do would be to jump from the thing.  First, helicopter blades continue to spin even when the motor is shut down simply on the basis of the air passing beneath them.  This is the principle of an autogyro.  If you can control the copter, you're better off staying on board for a controlled "crash" landing....particularly over water.  On the other hand, if the craft is spinning (rear rotor down), you would have a very hard time getting out due to the centrifugal forces and your jump would be very uncontrolled.  You would likely end up being the main course of the rotor food processor. 

The parachutist either meant to jump from the copter at it's maximum altitude and then let it crash or there were two crafts (the copter and something else).  In either case, the helicopter was a decoy.

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« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2007, 01:41:37 PM »
Any word on the rest of the crew? had to be at least 3 or 4 on a helicopter (not proven yet) that sounded that large. like a sikorsky j-hawk.
 and doesn't the military have hair regulations as per length, that ejecting crewperson had awfully long hair.

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« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2007, 01:43:10 PM »
Agree puff. Parachutist jumped out and let helicopter crash.

***helicopters don't eject megetlost

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« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2007, 01:51:56 PM »
The beechcraft would have a longer range of flight than a helicopter would. the helicopter would have to come from a large ship or nearby island. Depending on the type of copter it may only have a gas cap. of 500-1000 miles?
And how far did the pilot say he thought they were off course?

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« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2007, 01:54:12 PM »
1000 miles.

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« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2007, 01:58:40 PM »
Four guys on a beach hear a helicopter.  The sound begins to change and Hurley asks if that the sound that a helicopter should make.  There's some extra sounds thrown in reminiscent of the monster and the helicopter crashes.  I believe that the helicopter's engine or electronics (and engine) shut down, the softer sound was of the blades autorotating, the craft floated down spinning with a "gentle crash" into the ocean.

Now, why the heck jump out of a helicopter unless it's crashing?  That's the advantage of a chopper, to land in inhospitable locales. 

So, we may assume that the person jumped because the helicopter was going to crash.  But, again, that doesn't quite fit.  The parachutist was high overhead when the group spotted her.  Additionally, she landed far inland.  If the copter was ever that high overhead, the sounds would have been more staccato and the group would have been peering more vertical.  In this case, the helicopter would have crashed on the island or there would have been a fear by the group that the thing was going to come down on them.

Where I am going with all of this is the idea that the island has a security perimeter and that perimeter was occupied by the helicopter while the parachutist "snuck in."  In other words, the helicopter was a diversion.

Here's more evidence.  Helicopters can't fly at high altitudes.  They're usually capped at around 6000 meters because they must constantly displace their weight in air pushing downwards through the main rotor.  If the air is thin, then the blades have to spin a lot faster to displace such weight.  OK.  So now we understand helicopters.

One doesn't normally jump from a helicopter, as mentioned above, because that defeats the purpose of the aircraft.  Moreover, the lady that jumped was wearing gear designed for a very high altitude jump....special ops type stuff.
---a light pressure suit for high altitudes (the record is over 100,000 feet)
---a blackened suit and nonreflective parachute for stealth night jumping...special ops.
---a substantial and thickened protective eye shield (for cold, physical or other(?) interference, etc)
---a pressurized mask allowing breathing above 15000 feet
---gloves (it gets cold way up there)
---insulated boots

This lady was dropped from very far overhead, free falled for a long time, and then crossed whatever barrier surrounds the island at a time synchronized to occur with the helicopter entering/being intercepted/and crashing.  This lone jumper was able to make it through where a plane, helicopter, or ship is repelled.

The helicopter was a decoy.  Maybe nobody on board (Why didn't the group go look for survivors of the helicopter?).

Penny appears to be throwing great resources into her search and has been previously unsuccessful.  This strategy would evolve from prior, more direct, failed attempts at reaching the island.

Agree helicopter was a complete decoy..Penny and ben went to a great deal of trouble to get the girl on the island.