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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2007, 02:26:49 PM » |
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Nice timing, thebeann. Obviously I'm onboard with one of your theories!
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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2007, 02:39:41 PM » |
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I threw this out there in an earlier post... I think it is possible that Smokie (in its many forms) has the capability to look into people's thoughts. Remember the first time Eko ran into Smokie... it showed pictures from Eko's past within Smokie, as if it was reading his memories. If the Others control Smokie, they could be getting all of their information on the Losties via this method. Just a thought...
whilst its easiest to say that any info gotten was from smokey extracting it and then downloading it to a data bank for the others to process for there own inteligence meetings.... when has smokey ever been seen scanning jack-kate-sawyer-sun-sayid or any others that they have real info on and have used for psychological breaking conversations or lists of whos good and bad??? lets drop the smokey reading minds idea because its not possible regardless of how far into a sci fi scenario we try to take all of this.... darma has a network soooooooooo vast in its ability to know things, that whilst we know that the island is somehow special, we are to now assume that so many people OFF the island are also involved and a noahs ark type image is coming into play as where everyone whos anyone will be safe when the world goes BOOM! |
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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2007, 02:57:44 PM » |
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I threw this out there in an earlier post... I think it is possible that Smokie (in its many forms) has the capability to look into people's thoughts. Remember the first time Eko ran into Smokie... it showed pictures from Eko's past within Smokie, as if it was reading his memories. If the Others control Smokie, they could be getting all of their information on the Losties via this method. Just a thought...
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« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2007, 03:04:45 PM » |
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well they did know what juliette was up to with her PRIVATE experimental impregnancy... thus recruiting her for the island adventure... so im under the impression that much like the movie conspiracy theory, are certain things in the real world "RED-FLAGGED" to be followed up on in regards to what they would need to sustain a healthy thriving civilisation noahs ark of who they hand pick personally based upon thier capabilities???
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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2007, 03:23:44 PM » |
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when has smokey ever been seen scanning jack-kate-sawyer-sun-sayid or any others that they have real info on and have used for psychological breaking conversations or lists of whos good and bad??? lets drop the smokey reading minds idea because its not possible regardless of how far into a sci fi scenario we try to take all of this.... There is still quite a bit of debate in terms of what form Smokie takes. Many people have conjectured that it can take the form of a person, animal, etc, with Eko's brother being a prime example. (Also, Kate's horse, Jack's dad, etc.) As for dropping Smokie reading minds... how else do you explain the pictures from Eko's past that showed up when Smokie was "scanning" him the first it saw him? We won't be able to get away from the "sci fi" aspects of Lost when they show up all the time... how else does a paralyzed man who fell eight stories all of a sudden walk again? How else do you explain Smokie at all? There is nothing in current science that will allow something like that to exist. Just part of the nature of the show. |
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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2007, 03:27:12 PM » |
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im not saying smokey doesnt scan for his own good.... what im saying is that the others get ANY of that said information for there own personal use... i too belive we will never be able to scientifically account for a lot of the mysteries surrounding people walking again and becoming cured... but imho smokey has nothing to do with WHERE the others are getting the information they have on the losties....
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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2007, 03:35:06 PM » |
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I'm more inclined to believe that
A) the Others were involved in getting the Losties to the island in the first place (i.e, some of the connections/relationships are actually Others and the Losties were )
B) somehow they can extract from Smokey the thoughts and memories of the Losties (and there is evidence to suggest that Smokey has this power)
C) the Others are able to somehow view the Lostie's lives via some space/time continuum thing (which I don't like because it's too Star Trek).
A) we know desmond caused the crash and we know the others had no clue, based on the scenes we saw, and what the producers have said B) I dont think they are extracting anything from smokie based on how quickly juliet ran from him, and him scanning her, (although this was my initial thoughts) C) I agree with what you have in ( ) parenthesis although my theory of them having CIA/FBI type capabilities is far fetched, i was more debunking the fact the people the losties know are involved with Dharma i do not think they are tied to one another in any way but mere coincidence i'm not trying to argue with you at all, so please dont take it that way |
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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2007, 03:36:29 PM » |
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whilst its easiest to say that any info gotten was from smokey extracting it and then downloading it to a data bank for the others to process for there own inteligence meetings.... when has smokey ever been seen scanning jack-kate-sawyer-sun-sayid or any others that they have real info on and have used for psychological breaking conversations or lists of whos good and bad??? lets drop the smokey reading minds idea because its not possible regardless of how far into a sci fi scenario we try to take all of this.... darma has a network soooooooooo vast in its ability to know things, that whilst we know that the island is somehow special, we are to now assume that so many people OFF the island are also involved and a noahs ark type image is coming into play as where everyone whos anyone will be safe when the world goes BOOM!
I've never seen jack-kate-sawyer-sun-sayid take a crap, but I know they've done it quite frequently since they landed on The Island. Just because we haven't seen Smokey scanning them doesn't necessarily mean it hasn't. As for the the smokey mind reading not being possible ("its not possible regardless of how far into a sci fi scenario we try to take all of this..."), I would argue that the show has already been taken to the areas of implausibility with Desmond's time travel (confirmed by the writers), and therefore, just about anything is game. Furthermore, when Smokey was near Kate and Juliet, the flashes and sounds certainly hinted (at the very least) of it somehow 'photographing' Juliet's or Kate's thoughts/memory. We can't be sure, of course, but I sure did appear that way. I doubt it was gathering material for scrapbooking. |
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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2007, 03:40:46 PM » |
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im not saying smokey doesnt scan for his own good.... what im saying is that the others get ANY of that said information for there own personal use... i too belive we will never be able to scientifically account for a lot of the mysteries surrounding people walking again and becoming cured... but imho smokey has nothing to do with WHERE the others are getting the information they have on the losties....
Fair enough... I can see both sides of the coin... it just seems to me that the Others have more information than is possible to glean even from the best of resources. They seem to know EVERY dark secret so I think it is possible that they are getting the information in non-traditional (ie, anything we would know about from today's capabilities) methods. |
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« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2007, 03:45:06 PM » |
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Again im not disagreeing that smokey has its own agenda of why it does what it does.... im pleading my case for why i think the others are not in control of it and using it as there way to gather important PRIVATE information on the losties and that the spider web of people involved OFF the island is larger than someone with a laptop and google working 24/7... theres a flow of highly classified information abundantly "easy" to get a hold of for someone very high up on the food chain....
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« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2007, 05:27:40 PM » |
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I threw this out there in an earlier post... I think it is possible that Smokie (in its many forms) has the capability to look into people's thoughts. Remember the first time Eko ran into Smokie... it showed pictures from Eko's past within Smokie, as if it was reading his memories. If the Others control Smokie, they could be getting all of their information on the Losties via this method. Just a thought...
Odd as it may sound, I find this theory more plausible than information gathered by the Dharma/Widmore CIA. how did they have so much info on Juliet prior to her getting on the island then?? |
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« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2007, 06:18:34 PM » |
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I don't see Smoky as controlled by the Others. Juliet was genuinely scared of it, trying to get behind the fence. She would NOT have broken cover and unlocked the handcuffs if she had control over Smoky. Also, how would they know anything about Sayid? He hasn't had any confrontations with Smoky that I recall.
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« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2007, 07:26:54 PM » |
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I don't think it's smokey - I agree his scanning the losties but not feeding it back to the others
It's far fetched but I think the others just have the capability of finding this stuff out. WE couldn't do it now, but this episode showed just how secretive and undergroung the others are when the tranq'ed Juliette to take her there, we don't know what they (or Jacob) are capable of, they could easily have military, police, medical connections very high up who tip them off.
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« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2007, 07:40:34 PM » |
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I don't think it's that far-fetched, Wishbone. They obviously have the resources (I mean they own their own frickin ISLAND, as well as innumerable Dharma products). Also, if you followed TLE, Dharma was set up by the Government, so they probably have full cooperation with many if not most governmental authorities.
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« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2007, 07:42:46 PM » |
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OK, not that far fetched really - I agree anyway, they have their sources
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