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« on: April 12, 2007, 05:06:58 PM » |
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Ok this is really bugging me guys, how on earth could they know that Sawyer killed that guy in cold blood the night before he got on the plane? Google or no Google I dont see how they got that information from a one eyed dude on an island in the South Pacific. Lets put our brains together and figure this one out...
First of all Sawyer was conned by Whom to go to Australia and kill who?
Whoever this person was should then logically be linked to the "others" correct? How else would they know? Sawyer got away with it and wasnt seen by anyone was he?
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Nancy Drew
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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2007, 05:09:39 PM » |
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When we saw Sawyer in Australia, he was in jail for a bar fight with some ministry guy from there. Maybe they did a DNA sample and were able to compare it with evidence at the murder scene?
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firemanandlostfan
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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2007, 05:13:33 PM » |
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But that is speculative, until it is shown in a flashback we cant consider it right?
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Nancy Drew
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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2007, 05:15:25 PM » |
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Right. But most of this show is speculation. That is all we have some weeks!
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2007, 05:16:44 PM » |
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I thought the same thing. how did they know? Those omniscient others. Is smoky "downloading" their memories? Do the others know the "man from Tallahassee" is Sawyer, aka Cooper. Do we know that?
How did they now what Sayid did in Basra? do we know what he did in Basra?
Sawyer was conned by the x-files guy to kill the guy who owed him money.
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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2007, 05:34:23 PM » |
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yeah I just re-watched that part, I swear that you should watch this show by going back and just watching the flashback episodes of each and skipping to each flashback part, it might make things become more clear. I think some of the hardest parts is remembering what happened the last time you saw them in a flashback and trying to tie the timeline/whereabouts of each.
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2007, 05:38:50 PM » |
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Yeah, I was a little confused about Kate's epi last week and where it tied into her flashbacks, but I think I finally figured it out. The problem is the speculation that we have to include in our facts that we learn. We are never given the whole story of what happened. There are always gaps.
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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2007, 06:28:52 PM » |
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I said the following on another thread. It probably belonged here.
Juliet's statement to Sayid and Sawyer was very revealing. She had knowledge of their actions (Sawyer's murder of the man the day before he left Australia and Sayid torturing of the lady) that NO ONE could have know by researching. They told no one about their actions because they were so ashamed. The only way the Others could know about this is by some sort of time travel, Quantum Realities, time threads etc... They would have to go there and view it for themselves.
Puffy help me with this.
This is like being in a closed room all by yourself, tell no one what you've done, and later have someone describe your actions. (I glad my mother couldn't do that when I was growing up....she'd be blind!)
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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2007, 06:33:50 PM » |
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There were police records on Sawyer in Australia when he was kicked out... plus the shrimp man's death was in the papers. Possibly Sawyer's con man friend was in cahoots with the Others. There are a lot of ways that people who have moles everywhere could know these things.
Sayid's actions were almost obviously told to the Others by Kelvin, who made him do those things.
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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2007, 06:47:09 PM » |
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Maybe they know NOW. They've been there for around 3 months. Over the time since they crashed and found the guy dead, they may have had video camera's or something to identify Sawyer killed him. Mikail (sp) had video of all of the reports on the crash. It could be possible that after the plane crashed and the list of passengers that were on it was released, they discovered Sawyer was on that plane. It would be a story covered by media if a killer was on a plane that crashed. The Others may have learned about it that way. Just a thought.
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You know you're addicted to Lost when you refer to your In-law's as....The Others.
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2007, 07:31:55 AM » |
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There were police records on Sawyer in Australia when he was kicked out... plus the shrimp man's death was in the papers. Possibly Sawyer's con man friend was in cahoots with the Others. There are a lot of ways that people who have moles everywhere could know these things.
Sayid's actions were almost obviously told to the Others by Kelvin, who made him do those things.
I agree with the part about Sawyer, but the part about Sayid doesn't make sense to me. Kelvin was killed before Sayid got to the island so he couldn't have told them what he did with the torturing; however, Kate's dad--the military one--could have told them. He could be part of Dharma. |
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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2007, 01:04:56 PM » |
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There were police records on Sawyer in Australia when he was kicked out... plus the shrimp man's death was in the papers. Possibly Sawyer's con man friend was in cahoots with the Others. There are a lot of ways that people who have moles everywhere could know these things.
Sayid's actions were almost obviously told to the Others by Kelvin, who made him do those things.
I agree with the part about Sawyer, but the part about Sayid doesn't make sense to me. Kelvin was killed before Sayid got to the island so he couldn't have told them what he did with the torturing; however, Kate's dad--the military one--could have told them. He could be part of Dharma. not that i'm trying to debunk your theory about someone having to tell the dharma people about sayid's past but all this info is easily attainable...... FBI - CIA - NSA - these agencies do not have people telling them things, they have operatives out in the field gathering this info, now from everything that i saw, i'd definitely say that these people (Dharma/Hanso/Widmore/Whoever) have the resources to gather this info without having to rely on kate's dad or sawyers conman partner especially Sayid - all those torture sessions are surely documented by the iraqi army |
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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2007, 01:28:55 PM » |
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Then thats what we dont know... how deep does the others research department go??? telling suns shes not a killer??? and to have colleen say it?? not only do the others have an encyclopedia worth of information on the losties....they apparently have classrooms for everyone on the possibility that if they come across them they will know who it is and what theyve done?  so take the 3 months theyve been there and now learn every detail about 30+ survivors and there partners/parents/friends/relatives/escapades/murders/very very private lives and REMEBER it all verbatum whilst still conducting your normal daily duties? i can believe that for ben and several hirachy... but it seems everyone of the others knows everything about everyone? |
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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2007, 02:22:44 PM » |
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I have a hard time believing that Dharma or Widmore or whomever would or could gather the kind of detail on any of the Losties unless they were somehow involved in them being on the island in the first place. And on that I'm torn. Ben seemed genuinely surprised at the plane crash...yet fully prepared to react to it. I still believe that somehow someone or something 'caused' the plane to come to the island (though the crash seemed to be unplanned, caused by Desmond).
For Dharma or Widmore or whomever to have all this information on the Losties, their network would have to be huge, and their information-gathering methods vast. Okay, not difficult to determine that Locke was paralyzed. But Colleen's statement to Sun about her not being a killer, although broad, smelled of an almost personal knowledge of her. Same with Juliette to Sayid and Sawyer. Maybe it's just good acting. But it feels like they have a much more intimate knowledge of the Losties than could be determined by some police records and flight manifests.
I'm more inclined to believe that
A) the Others were involved in getting the Losties to the island in the first place (i.e, some of the connections/relationships are actually Others and the Losties were )
B) somehow they can extract from Smokey the thoughts and memories of the Losties (and there is evidence to suggest that Smokey has this power)
C) the Others are able to somehow view the Lostie's lives via some space/time continuum thing (which I don't like because it's too Star Trek).
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2007, 02:25:29 PM » |
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I threw this out there in an earlier post... I think it is possible that Smokie (in its many forms) has the capability to look into people's thoughts. Remember the first time Eko ran into Smokie... it showed pictures from Eko's past within Smokie, as if it was reading his memories. If the Others control Smokie, they could be getting all of their information on the Losties via this method. Just a thought...
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