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Offline Maxor127

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time theory debunked
« on: April 12, 2007, 01:52:04 PM »
Lots of people have been saying that "time works differently on the island" as if people age different and that time moves faster or slower on the island.  I never agreed with that and it seems to me like this episode proved that time moves normally on the island.  Juliet watched a live feed of some guy watching her sister who she hasn't seen for three years and her sister had a child who looked about three years old.  Plus the paper clarified that there was no strange time fluctuation.

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Re: time theory debunked
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2007, 01:54:44 PM »
Well maybe the other's are from the future where everyone is sterile and now they have to grab people out of the past who can still reproduce.    It could be footage from years ago.  That's also how they knew the Red Sox won the world series.  :D

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Re: time theory debunked
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2007, 02:00:22 PM »
Maxor makes a good point.  Maggie also makes a good point.  I go with the simpler of the two, though, and that's Maxor's.  I believe there is time travel, as evidenced by Desmond's experience, but like Maxor I think the Island is moving in real time.  I think that you can jump back and forth in time on the Island if you know how to do it, but I think overall Island time is pretty much in psynch with outside time.

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Re: time theory debunked
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2007, 02:00:58 PM »
This is a good point Maxor, and unless some new evidence is revealed I'm gonna agree with you.  Time moves normally on the island.  And although I dont' think the others are from the future (lol maggie) I do think there is still some element of time that the island seems to be able to affect.  Still much to learn about that though.

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Re: time theory debunked
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2007, 02:27:19 PM »
What is Desmond's role going to be?  He seems to have settled in with the losties, but is he still going to have his abilities?  Any thoughts on his role with the time theory in future shows?

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Re: time theory debunked
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2007, 02:47:58 PM »
Most of us think of time as a straight line, with a beginning and an end.
But many eastern religions think of time as a circle. When you get to the end, you're back at the beginning and you do it all over again. This ties into eastern theories about reincarnation and deja vu.
Most people living this time loop don't recognize it. They start each new life as a clean slate, a tabula rosa. (Hmmm, where have I heard that before?). They are aware of only their present and past. But Ben (and who knows who else at this point) is different, he is fully aware of the whole loop and he's also found a way to jump from point to point on the circle. Only fools are enslaved by space and time.
I know most of you don't buy the time loop theory now, but as a man wiser than me once said: Yes you do, you just don't know it yet.

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Re: time theory debunked
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2007, 03:10:00 PM »
Why do we have no memory of the future?  A frequent question by Stephen Hawking, author of the book A Brief History of Time.  Whose to say that Ben didn't know that he would need footage from whatever the date was on the paper?  He has seemed to know everything else....including that Claire would escape and would eventually be useful in infiltrating the losties via her implant emergency.


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Re: time theory debunked
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2007, 03:33:34 PM »
"you're going to be amazed how time flies once you're there," said Richard.  i don't think that was just coversational.  too contrived, but of course most of the dialogue is getting that way.

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Re: time theory debunked
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2007, 03:46:31 PM »
Time moved normally before the Swan imploded. Now I'm not so sure. ???

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Re: time theory debunked
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2007, 05:17:26 PM »
Juliet's statement to Sayid and Sawyer was very revealing. She had knowledge of their actions (Sawyer's murder of the man the day before he left Australia and Sayid torturing of the lady) that NO ONE could have know by researching. They told no one about their actions because they were so ashamed. The only way the Others could know about this is by some sort of time travel (Quantum stuff), time threads etc... They would have to go there and view it for themselves. 

Puffy help me with this.
 
This is like being in a closed room all by yourself, tell no one what you've done, and later have someone describe your actions. (I hope Juliet doesn't say anything about me!)

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Re: time theory debunked
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2007, 05:26:32 PM »
Ben could have totally manipulated that newspaper thing.  That could have been footage from a while back.  If they can cure cancer, then they can sure pull off a trick like this.  I think it was just to make Juliet feel guilty about wanting to leave.  Time, as in day and night, I believe, does exist on the island.  Actual hours, minutes, days, etc.....however, I don't think the aging process and other things related to it are part of this "real" time.  It is on a scale all of its own due to the magnetism.

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Re: time theory debunked
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2007, 05:34:51 PM »
BUT she had hair and a kid

She would have to be healthy to have hair and the kid was two to three years old.

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Re: time theory debunked
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2007, 06:25:25 PM »
I agree.  The woman we saw looked healthy and had a three-year-old with her.  But even in the "real" world you could surgically alter someone's appearance to make them look like someone else.  Mittelos is obviously capable of many things, even more weird than that.

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Re: time theory debunked
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2007, 06:27:06 PM »
Three years ago they could've put a gun to her head, gave her a wig and made her act.   ;D
But the scene and the boy seemed to fit the time period well.

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Re: time theory debunked
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2007, 06:29:18 PM »
This could be related to what Ethan was doing in the apartment building that Rachel lived in when we first saw Juliet's flashback epi.  Maybe he was setting something up even way back then.