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Re: What Is Mikail Watching?
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2007, 05:08:52 PM »
As for the medical report, they obviously have people monitoring Rachel. Richard was there video taping Rachel, supposedly live. And, if you believe Ben, someone knew her cancer had returned, and someone was able to heal her. He also told Richard to get back as soon as possible, implying there is some travel back and forth to the island. Most likely, the medical record was brought back on one of these trips. Unless the whole thing was a con by Ben to trick Juliet into staying on the island.

They obviously have people working for them on the outside.  It must be a pretty good network as well, as they have been able to amass a lot of information on a lot of people in a fairly short period of time.

I think they are just very well connected.

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« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2007, 05:32:14 PM »
the medical report describes somebody with a partial atrioventricular block (a conduction block that allows the atria and vetricles to operate separately.  eventually, the ventricle will originate its own junctional rhythm....slower) and a myocardial infarction.

this doesn't make sense as people with MI's usually die of V fib....as irritate heart muscle starts firing erratically and the heart just quivers instead of pumping.

also, on the chart, it says her rhythm was "sinus" which is normal and contradicts the notation partial atrioventricular block.

the MRI on the left was the abdomen of a female with a baby. didn't see any tumor.  the study was without contrast.

prop errors, but were they trying to suggest that rachel was already dead?

anyway, the medical record has handwritten original notations....not copies.

how did mikail get this?

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Re: What Is Mikail Watching?
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2007, 05:35:21 PM »
  I have been reading Puffy's posts and by no means begin to understand them but, why would he be watching archived footage and not be able to already have a flight list?
  I think I read where you said they keep manipulating events until they get the desired outcome.  If that's the case, they would keep manipulating events AND composing a flight list all the while until they plugged the right people into the right slots to achieve the desired outcome, in effect remembering the future.  Why would they need to find out who was on the plane, it seems they would already know.  The same would go for the list that Ethan and the other Dr. were sent to get, if we go with your thinking, they would already have the list wouldn't they?

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Re: What Is Mikail Watching?
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2007, 05:52:30 PM »
the medical report describes somebody with a partial atrioventricular block (a conduction block that allows the atria and vetricles to operate separately.  eventually, the ventricle will originate its own junctional rhythm....slower) and a myocardial infarction.

this doesn't make sense as people with MI's usually die of V fib....as irritate heart muscle starts firing erratically and the heart just quivers instead of pumping.

also, on the chart, it says her rhythm was "sinus" which is normal and contradicts the notation partial atrioventricular block.

the MRI on the left was the abdomen of a female with a baby. didn't see any tumor.  the study was without contrast.

prop errors, but were they trying to suggest that rachel was already dead?

anyway, the medical record has handwritten original notations....not copies.

how did mikail get this?

One of their people stole it from the hospital? 

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Re: What Is Mikail Watching?
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2007, 06:15:51 PM »
How far away is/was the Flame from the others camp?  We are lead to believe that Juliet and Ben left for the flame just as the plane crashed so at that point the plane had already not been in contact for an hour. 

Remember that when Locke, Sayid and Kate stumbled across the Flame and Locke so effortlessly blew it up it was night time.  However when the losties and Patchie reached "The Fence" is was day time.  How long does that walk take? Even at the very least it takes 3-4 hours to turn dark into sunshine, 6am-10am etc... 

So by that time the plane could have been lost for 3-5 hours.  I would hope that some news stations were covering it.

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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2007, 06:16:20 PM »
Is it possible that they go to see Mikhail much later in the same day or another day than the plane crashed?

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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2007, 06:18:47 PM »
They said it was live and showed a newspaper saying Sept 24, right?

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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2007, 06:33:15 PM »
Puff said in the cancer thread that Ben was implying they were older than they appeared- because of his concern for cancer which normally wouldn't threaten a younger group of people.  And we have speculated that time moves differently on the island.  If the island was somehow moving slower than the rest of the world.  This could explain why after only a half hour of seeing the crash to seeing the news on Mikhail's screen.  A half hour on the island could be several hours in the real world.  Or maybe the island moves at the same speed it is just behind a couple of steps.

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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2007, 08:39:01 AM »
Alex kinda destroys the time thing for me.  She is supposed to be 16 and looks and acts 16.  Even though she may seem a little mature for her age, I just see that as the influence growing up on an island of mostly adults has done to her.  Other than that, she defies her father, dates a boy her father doesn't approve of, and whines and has temper tantrums just like any normal 16 year old would do.  I think she is proof to us that time and aging are real on the island just as they are in the outside world.

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« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2007, 08:52:32 AM »
Ya, if the island has restorative powers, you'd grow up normally....just not age.

The insertion in this episode that deals with the time question is Juliet's remark.  Today, I've been on this island 3 years.  If time moved slower on the island, then the plane would have crashed.....say, 30 years....from Juliet's earth time date of arrival.

The two times appear synchronous.  Time does pass on the island.  The allusion made by the producers in the past about time progressing differently may thus relate to the rates at which people age.  Thus, Ben is so smart because he is 815 years old.

As far as the screens before Mikail, ya....he's gathering information. 

I don't think that the other's can maneuver quantum realities upon such a grand scale.  However, if they were very old and intelligent, they may be able to study people and peer into some sort of quantum television where they find out what people have done, and will do, in this quantum reality.

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Re: What Is Mikail Watching?
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2007, 01:03:12 PM »
Alex kinda destroys the time thing for me.  She is supposed to be 16 and looks and acts 16.  Even though she may seem a little mature for her age, I just see that as the influence growing up on an island of mostly adults has done to her.  Other than that, she defies her father, dates a boy her father doesn't approve of, and whines and has temper tantrums just like any normal 16 year old would do.  I think she is proof to us that time and aging are real on the island just as they are in the outside world.
Yeah, but everytime the 16 years is mentioned, it's an on-island reference. To actually confirm, we need a date from outside the island showing when the scientists crashed.

I don't think I believe the time warp theory anymore, either... but it's still weird...

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« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2007, 01:47:29 PM »
Just to muddy the waters a bit more.  Most of the airspace over the Pacific and Atlantic are not within radar coverage.  There is some coverage but most of it is within a 75 mile range of land.  Trans-oceanic flights are usually conducted by GPS direct headings now days.  Some times the only contact a company or FAA officials have with aircraft over the oceans is radio.  So if radio contact was lost there is the possibility of "Oceanic" not knowing where the plane was.  Why go to the media with that negative PR until they had too?  Perhaps this is just a writing error and we are reading too much into it.  On the other hand I have 5 fingers and am often times baffled at where the story line goes.
Flights do have periodic contact with traffic control, airline, etc.  If they could not get flight 815 on radio (or more likely satellite datalink over open ocean) and they did not reach an expected mark or contact, that kind of thing is really, really hard to keep quiet today.  At some point early on, too many people would know something is up.  Hard to have a bunch of people keep it off their blogs, cell phones, etc.

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« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2007, 07:10:02 PM »
Back to the Arcadia Park comment, there is an ACADIA (No R) Park in northwest Miami... I'm guessing that's the reference

http://www.google.com/maps?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&rls=DGUS,DGUS:2006-24,DGUS:en&q=acadia-park&near=Miami,+FL&radius=0.0&latlng=25773889,-80193889,14152056289728882842&sa=X&oi=local&ct=authority&cd=1
Yeah, my bad... Acadia National Park. Mainers put their R's in places they don't belong, so some of us call it Arcadia ;)

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Re: What Is Mikail Watching?
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2007, 07:15:17 PM »

The two times appear synchronous.  Time does pass on the island.  The allusion made by the producers in the past about time progressing differently may thus relate to the rates at which people age.  Thus, Ben is so smart because he is 815 years old.


i totally agree with this, i think this is the case based on what they showed juliet with the uterus or whatever that was, and i think this is why the woman have trouble reproducing and this is what she was brought to the island to figure out