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Re: Fertility issues
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2007, 12:25:29 PM »
I had similar thoughts to that of Casino.

It seems to me that the birthing related issues are of paramount importanance to Ben, and that is likely why he sent Juliet to the beach -- to see if there are any expectantant mothers....


Juliet will say "Look what  happened to Claire.....pregnancies DO NOT work right on this Island...if you are pregnant you better tell me so I can do my best to try and help you....."

Then, Ben arranges for pregnant lady (Sun) to be abducted and experimented on etc..... I think the whole implant in claire to make her sick, send in the lady doctor, was likely deliberate to work towards this kind of goal.

I also agree with Casino that it is likely that other losties  have implants like that, think of sawyer, he did have a whole put in his chest for sure!

Just my two bits. Peace lost fans.

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Re: Fertility issues
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2007, 12:53:36 PM »
Anyone considered that the reason no one can become pregnant on the island is because only God can create life? Rousseau, Claire and Sun all became pregnant before they arrived on the island. None of the other Losties have become pregnant since they've been on the island and I'm sure they've run out of birth control by now.

The island is Evil. The Others have shown us time and again that they too are evil. The masterminds of the island experiment (Widmore etc..) are all power / wealthly people. Did they make a deal with the devil to achieve their wealth? The devil is at work on this island and he is trying to achieve the one thing he can't...the creation of LIFE.

The women who agreed to become pregnant on the island (not to mention all the Others) must have all been tempted by the devil and they accepted his offer.  What were they promised? Something from the magically box / room, where whatever you wish for appears? A better life? A ticket off the island? Money? Make me or a sick relative well? Ben's cancer/tumor would be cured? Maybe that's why he was shocked to discover it was back. Kill my ex-hushand / boss? e.g. Juliette case..if only he were hit by a bus... then it happens. She is then offered her dream job and accepts it. As much as Juliette wants to get off the island she must realizes that her deal with the devil is what is keeping her there.

re: musepsycho about the Australian psychic telling Claire her baby must be raised by an other.
If the psychic is right Aaron is the next Saviour and had to come to the island to save the sinners... just like Jesus! By the way... it's not just the Others who are sinners... but the Losties as well.

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Re: Fertility issues
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2007, 01:03:09 PM »
I do agree that bad people are trying to make bad children, but I don't know if it is the Devil or not.

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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2007, 01:25:00 PM »
I would like to know if the fertility issues only pertain to humans on the island, or if it affects the animals as well.  The boar population is diminishing because of all the hunting, and to my knowledge we haven't seen any piglets.  We know there were at least two polar bears, I am assuming one male and one female.  Were they able to reproduce?  The spiders seem to be in abundance, so they can obviously have babies.  What do you think?

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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2007, 01:28:17 PM »
I think the boars do reproduce.  During one of the first episodes that mentioned the boar didn't Locke say something like 'that was just a young one' or something to that effect?

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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2007, 01:33:55 PM »
I think you're right.  I do remember Locke saying that.  What about the bears?  Were there two or three?

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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2007, 01:36:45 PM »
I know Sawyer shot the smaller one, I thought he meant a cub or something but it could've been just a smaller female.  There where two cages, but Tom made it sound like there were two bears in one of them.  So as for the other empty cage?  Could've easily held another bear or two.

In addition, I think it is just the humans that are effected.  If bad people are sterilized to prevent them from making 'problem' babies see...  And animals can't really be evil or manipulative (unless they are cats) but people can.
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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2007, 01:39:50 PM »
So with all that info, do you think the fertility issue is only for humans? 

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Re: Fertility issues
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2007, 01:42:03 PM »
I would like to know if the fertility issues only pertain to humans on the island, or if it affects the animals as well.  The boar population is diminishing because of all the hunting, and to my knowledge we haven't seen any piglets.  We know there were at least two polar bears, I am assuming one male and one female.  Were they able to reproduce?  The spiders seem to be in abundance, so they can obviously have babies.  What do you think?
When Sawyer goes after the boar he finds a piglet and makes it squeal to attract the bigger boar.

Alex gets Claire out of the staff because she thinks the others are going to kill her. Are they killing the mothers or is it a disease?

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Re: Fertility issues
« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2007, 01:48:57 PM »
So with all that info, do you think the fertility issue is only for humans? 

I do.  I wonder....have they looked at the men?  If the problem happens at conception, maybe it's the guy's fault.  You've got to figure that the women Others only hooked up with the men Others.

Maybe those guys just have some screwed up swimmers.

I think it's time to send in the Lost Boys to take up the slack.

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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2007, 01:58:38 PM »
The woman on the operating table, the one that Juliet saw die, why was she cut open?  Were they delivering the baby?  Where they trying to surgically fix her symptoms, the ones that Claire was showing?  Actually... was what Claire went through like what the other test subjects had gone through?  She had an implant, which could mimic those effects or cause just a new kind of sickness. 

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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2007, 02:02:14 PM »
She bled out through her mouth.  To me it kind of resembled when Mikhail died.  I wonder if the implant they used was something similar to their fence, just with lower doses.

Other than that, I can't think of a reason to have an implant.  The woman on the table--it looked like they were trying to control some sort of hemorraging.  Maybe they were trying to save the baby thinking the mother was a lost cause.

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Re: Fertility issues
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2007, 02:06:35 PM »
So does this mean that Desmond is going to be pregnet soon? Desmond was told by Kelvin to take the shoots every other day and he did for 3 years. Isn't this the same injections that Juliet gave to Clarie?
I belevie that Sun will be taken next week by the others and become their new controlled patient.  Did anyone happen to notice the video photoage of Juliet's sister with her nephew? It sure looked a lot like the painting on Ben's wall.
Just a rambling thought but.... the meaning of the DARMHA logo has a meaning about young brother, middle brother, older brother, young sister, middle sister, older sister, mother, father... could there be that there are 3 brothers and 3 sisters with their mother and father on the island? Maybe a BRADY BUNCH moment.

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« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2007, 02:17:28 PM »
I think the case is this: For whatever reason, the Others can't have children. This is why they set up Mittelos (with help from DHARMA &/or Widmore? - my guess here is Widmore, & that maybe the founding of Mittelos was the reason for the split between DHARMA & Widmore), & this is why they kidnap children & pregnant women. However they always run into trouble, both morally (because of the gene manipulation they are exercising) & practically (when you snatch children & mothers to be you're asking for trouble!). But their intentions are the best: to survive & procreate, which they have the mantra "We're good people!" & this is why everyone who comes into contact with them think tat they are bad people.

So I think Rousseau is Alex' mother, & that the Others somehow justify the abduction of Alex because of a similar clash between the science crew as the losties are now experiencing. Possibly some of the Others also were killed when Rousseau's team arrived.

Still - a lot is a mystery, but this I think, is the core of the Others' problem.

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Re: Fertility issues
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2007, 03:04:39 PM »
Great discussion so far guys.... I'm glad someone brought up Claire's implant and the pregnancy connection on the island, especially Juliet's research that "IT happens at conception" (whatever IT is). And muse is right, there is a lot of mystery but this obession with babies and the creation of a civilization purely based on the saying "We're the Good Guys!" has a lot to do with the root of the Others' problem on the island.

Call it eugenics or utopia, or whatever... but what the Others have established so far on the island is the foreground for a cancer-free (suppposedly) soceity. Cancer, in all senses of the word, not just illness. This brings up things like the quarantine (fake or not), possible caged procreation, and wanting to segregate the new islanders on a good vs. bad profile based on detailed background check reconnaissance. 

We have yet to determine Sun's baby's daddy, and if she conceived on/off the island. We know that Claire is constantly being monitored, and that she was implanted with something. The question of Kate possibly being pregnant is a theory that is still up in the air. And we know Juliet is on the beach to oversee it all, and I don't think it's a coincidence. As far as Rousseau being another post-partum survivor, not just Claire, is kinda confusing, but we don't really know very much about Rousseau to begin with (keeping my fingers crossed for a possible bactstory on Alex and Danielle!).

Anyway, long post short, fertility is obviously a touchy subject on the island. The writers are giving it some importance so I'm sure that there's something to all this mystery surrounding our pregnant mothers.