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Offline Fallybear

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Re: Cancer on the Island
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2007, 10:02:55 AM »
Cancer is a disease of the old and of the growing.

So, again I ask the question, how old are the others?  They may say how old they were when they got to the island (mikail), but don't disclose their age.

Next, you have Ben telling Juliet that he can cure her sister.  He states, you've been here six months and examined all of us and you have not found any cancer.

Interesting choice of words....Why would it be abnormal for a bunch of thirty and forty year olds to be cancer free.....unless they are not 30 or 40 year olds.

Onward.  Recurrent cancers are often aggressive and recalcitrant to standard modalities of care.  How could Ben cure cancer?  Was there really a recurrence?  Was her disease induced in the first place?

Well, perhaps the island has curative properties and Ben fed ex'd a rock to Rachael.  On these other issues, we can only trust the video.


Ben statement stood out to me too Puff. Juliet has to know something more about the age of the others. Otherwise he statement about them having no incidence of cancer doesn't make  sense.

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Re: Cancer on the Island
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2007, 10:32:01 AM »
Cancer is a disease of the old and of the growing.

So, again I ask the question, how old are the others?  They may say how old they were when they got to the island (mikail), but don't disclose their age.

Next, you have Ben telling Juliet that he can cure her sister.  He states, you've been here six months and examined all of us and you have not found any cancer.

Interesting choice of words....Why would it be abnormal for a bunch of thirty and forty year olds to be cancer free.....unless they are not 30 or 40 year olds.

Onward.  Recurrent cancers are often aggressive and recalcitrant to standard modalities of care.  How could Ben cure cancer?  Was there really a recurrence?  Was her disease induced in the first place?

Well, perhaps the island has curative properties and Ben fed ex'd a rock to Rachael.  On these other issues, we can only trust the video.


Ben statement stood out to me too Puff. Juliet has to know something more about the age of the others. Otherwise he statement about them having no incidence of cancer doesn't make  sense.

Maybe they all had cancer when they were recruited.  Or, maybe they just all had some type of incurable illness and were told that there was a place where their illness could be cured.  As Ben said, the sub was really only there to preserve the "illusion" that they could go home if they wanted, but eventually everyone would just choose to stay there.  Remember:  Bernard was working on getting them off the Island, and Rose wasn't cooperating, and she finally told him it was because she was cured and didn't want to risk going back to the "real" world where she might get sick again.  Maybe that's the common bond between the Others, and the reason they would be so hip about coming to the Island in the first place.

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Re: Cancer on the Island
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2007, 10:32:49 AM »
Regardless of whether or not Calamity Jane really had cancer in the first place the report shown to Juliet to prove that it recurred is suspect:


She's a man, baby, yeah!

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Re: Cancer on the Island
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2007, 02:05:47 PM »
OK. I have an issue with Ben saying Jacob will cure Juliet's sister. Juliet calls ben a liar and the next day he shows her footage of her sister cured with a three year old. How could Jacob cure her? she must have already been cured and had a son, Julian. Clarificaton?

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Re: Cancer on the Island
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2007, 02:08:47 PM »
Wasn't the next day.  The first flashback was after her initial six months were up and she was throwing in the towel.  The next was just prior to the crash - 2 1/2 years later.

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Re: Cancer on the Island
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2007, 02:33:17 PM »
My cancer question.  Does anyone think that Juliet's sister was brought to the island to have her cancer cured?

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Re: Cancer on the Island
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2007, 06:22:37 PM »
To clarify, Ben's remark that nobody has cancer doesn't make sense.  If they're all 30-45, you wouldn't expect them to with a small cohort.  In the old ones (and I've only seen one), no big deal.

So, Ben's remark doesn't make sense.  If one old person doesn't have cancer, not a surprise.

But, if 5000 old people don't, important.

Ergo, Ben is implying that they are older than they appear.

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Re: Cancer on the Island
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2007, 10:19:48 PM »
Cancer is a disease of the old and of the growing.

No it's not. Trust me.


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So, again I ask the question, how old are the others?  They may say how old they were when they got to the island (mikail), but don't disclose their age.

Neither do the Losties, though. How old is Sun?



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Onward.  Recurrent cancers are often aggressive and recalcitrant to standard modalities of care.  How could Ben cure cancer?  Was there really a recurrence?  Was her disease induced in the first place?

Well, perhaps the island has curative properties and Ben fed ex'd a rock to Rachael.  On these other issues, we can only trust the video.

I thought he was saying Jacob would cure it, not him?

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Re: Cancer on the Island
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2007, 11:39:15 PM »
OK. I have an issue with Ben saying Jacob will cure Juliet's sister. Juliet calls ben a liar and the next day he shows her footage of her sister cured with a three year old. How could Jacob cure her? she must have already been cured and had a son, Julian. Clarificaton?

He showed Juliet her sister two years later than the conversation on the beach.

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Re: Cancer on the Island
« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2007, 11:43:01 PM »
Exactly, Juggy... Juliet wanted to go home because her 6 months were up. 2 1/2 years later, she sees Julian, her nephew.

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Re: Cancer on the Island
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2007, 01:25:16 AM »
My cancer question.  Does anyone think that Juliet's sister was brought to the island to have her cancer cured?
As said before Rachel might even never have cancer a second time. She could be just cured in the first time and the exams are just a con to keep Jules on the island.

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Re: Cancer on the Island
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2007, 01:30:20 AM »
My cancer question.  Does anyone think that Juliet's sister was brought to the island to have her cancer cured?
Ben refused to have her brought to the island.

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Re: Cancer on the Island
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2007, 11:27:14 AM »
I used to think that Jacob and Ben were 2 different people, but now I am starting to question if they are one and the same.  Simply because Ben didn't have Jacob to fix him like he did Juliet's sister.  Hmmmmm Something to think about.

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Re: Cancer on the Island
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2007, 11:46:36 AM »
I want to know what the big problem would have been with bringing Juliette's sister to the island? How more of a perfect scenario could you ask for?

You have a condition on the island which seems to stem from conceiving or being pregnant on the island and you have a fertility doctor who with a pregnant sister who has/has had cancer (depending on what time you look at, either when Juliette was recruited, or after 6 months when she says she wants to leave) who

A) lets you keep your fertility doctor
B) lets you prove the island has funky healing powers, further impressing and hopefully retaining said fertility doctor
C) gives you a "control" for your tests which seems to only become oh so important when a pregnant mother falls out of the sky!

These guys would have had a bird in the hand, so there has to be a decent reason for them not just giving in to Juliette and getting her sister on the island

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Re: Cancer on the Island
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2007, 12:05:52 PM »
Good point.  It makes me wonder if her sister ever had cancer, though.  We know Ben is a manipulator.