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Offline lostatsea

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Re: So now we're supposed to feel sory for Juliet...YUCK
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2007, 07:49:43 AM »
"see you in a week"

Yeah right - thats going to take about three more seasons the way this show is going


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Re: So now we're supposed to feel sory for Juliet...YUCK
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2007, 09:58:37 AM »
All the losties have done for her is kill her boyfriend.

I thought this was the most important revelation of the episode, even though it was merely implied. We've been wondering how Juliet became a steely-eyed killer? That's how. Throw Locke's sub bombing into the mix, and those darn Losties have ruined whatever hope she has.

Still trying to figure out the significance of the long focus on the tightening rope at the end. I suspect she'll hang someone, just as Ethan did.

J

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Re: So now we're supposed to feel sory for Juliet...YUCK
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2007, 10:04:11 AM »
I see it as symbolic for her instilling trust with the others.  Tie that knot, root your place as a Lostie.

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Re: So now we're supposed to feel sory for Juliet...YUCK
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2007, 10:16:56 AM »
well, trustworthy is the wrong word.  I think she's probably playing both sides to see what happens.  I think that maybe even she hasn't decided which side she's really on.  In the end, I have a feeling she'll double cross Ben.  But she is definitely NOT trustworthy, no matter what her ultimate choice is.


I agree.  Goal #1 for Juliet is to get off the Island and see her sister.  She knows Ben CAN do it, but he WON'T do it.  Right now the Losties can't do it. Like you said, I think she is playing both sides and can't really be trusted by either.

No doubt she is considering double-crossing Ben.  There is no way that she doesn't harbor a HUGE grudge against him for not letting her leave.

My question is:  Did she really think she was leaving on the sub?  Ben said that he was glad Locke blew it up because it solved his problem of having to send Jack and Juliet home.  Was the con on Jack already in place at this point?  Jack said that he could see in Juliet's face that she really wanted to go home.  Well, of course she does.  That doesn't mean, though, that she actually thought there was a chance of her going home right then.

I think she was already conning Jack at that point, and has been conning him all along.

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Re: So now we're supposed to feel sory for Juliet...YUCK
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2007, 11:41:03 AM »
HELLO ALL! 1ST POST EVER!!

JULIET IS A "B" AND I BELIEVE CANNOT EVER BE TRUSTED BY EITHER THE LOSTIES OR THE OTHERS!!  SHE IS OUT FOR HER OWN AGENDA AND THAT IS IT.  SHE WANTS OFF THIS ISLAND SO BAD SHE CAN TASTE IT AND WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET OFF, BE IT BY THE LOSTIES GETTING HER OFF OR BEN, WHICHEVER IT IS. 
OKAY, THANKS FOR LISTENING AND I HOPE I AM NOT WRONG!! LOL

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Re: So now we're supposed to feel sory for Juliet...YUCK
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2007, 02:58:09 PM »
When Jack told her he could not protect her if Clair died and she would be on her own. Juliet said 'I am already on my own'. If that doesn't tell Jack where she is comming from I think Jack has lost his marbles......maybe if he goes back to the polar bear cage on the other island and hits the food butten one more time, the shock will bring him back to reality..........then again seeing Juliet's nude back probably would screw up any guy's mind!

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Re: So now we're supposed to feel sory for Juliet...YUCK
« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2007, 05:41:47 PM »
All right, i'm seeing alot of Anti-Juliet opinions  ;) and I need to voice my Pro-Juliet one.  Now, I may be like Jack, and I may just WANT to trust her for whatever reason, but I really don't think Juliet would go along with Ben's plan.  Think about it: Ben was going to let her go, for free, without any argument.  So she agrees to infiltrate the beach, but has no intent to follow up on Ben's plan.  That is what I WANT to believe.  But that doesn't make any sense, because she wouldn't try to escape from Ben and the Others knowing that she would see them again in one week.  Furthermore, why would she not just tell the Losties the truth, and ease their suspicions by admitting that, yes, Ben has a plan, but I am not going to follow it.  So, in case nobody understands any of that since I am typing in a rush, it all comes down to this:  I really like Juliet, she is in my top three with Desmond and Locke.  I love the character, and I just don't want to believe that she is a spy, even though that is what all logic points to.  Let me put it this way: if it all of a sudden looked like Kate was working against the Losties, Juggy would be out there doing the same thing for her!

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Re: So now we're supposed to feel sory for Juliet...YUCK
« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2007, 07:10:10 PM »
I have conflicting opinions of Juliet and i'm not quite sure what to make of her.
 
When she shows Jack the video ,when she tries to get jack to kill Ben, was that staged? Did Ben put her up to it? Or did she really want him dead? If so who else is ready for a change in leadership?
-i guess not because she gets questioned by Isabel and Tom.

Didn't Ben tell Juliet to save Kate and Sawyer and help them escape?
-so why is she given a trial and branded. was this staged for Jack?-yeah she shot pickett but he had it coming.

What's Juliet and Ben's history?
-Tom mentions that they have history and he seemed to imply a romantic history.never fully explained (oh wait its LOST)

Why is she branded?
-She isn't banished or left behind. Ben obviously still trusts her. To further convince Jack?

 ???
 

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Re: So now we're supposed to feel sory for Juliet...YUCK
« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2007, 07:17:57 PM »
Ben is out for himself.  He was ready to let Juliet die in the Hydra.  It wouldn't be too far fetched for him to go behind the other other's backs and make a deal with Juliet, even though the group as a whole had abandoned her.  Ben wants to make sure that the only way off of the island is through him.

I think the flashbacks of this episode was the history between Ben and Juliet?

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Re: So now we're supposed to feel sory for Juliet...YUCK
« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2007, 07:31:34 PM »
Alot of people think that Juliet is cooperating with Ben so he will let her go...but if you were Juliet, would you believe Ben, considering this is not the first time he has made such a promise?

I think she wants off the island.  I think that has been established.  But as to her plan to achieve that, I have no idea.  I'll take my ususal position: since we only have about a one in one trillion chance of explaining anything about this show exactly as the producers do, I will refrain from theorizing.

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Re: So now we're supposed to feel sory for Juliet...YUCK
« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2007, 08:01:02 PM »
well, trustworthy is the wrong word.  I think she's probably playing both sides to see what happens.  I think that maybe even she hasn't decided which side she's really on.  In the end, I have a feeling she'll double cross Ben.  But she is definitely NOT trustworthy, no matter what her ultimate choice is.

think i agree... So many are so concerned with which team is which, and who is for what team. I feel when it all come down to the short hairs, Folks like Juliet will do what best suits Juliet, in orderto ensure getting home. Remeber how Jack had seemingly forgotten all about the beachies while romping and playing football in Othersville, he had made his deal.
  Now I arrive at two major players: Ben and Locke , two men who are not motivated by the promise of home ( Ben was born on the island , it is home, Locke has embraced the island and fears leaving , and justifiably so; home wasn't exactly mom and apple pie for him.)
 This would make everyone else succeptible to manipulation, except them( B & L)

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Re: So now we're supposed to feel sory for Juliet...YUCK
« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2007, 08:11:56 PM »
Watch Juliet's face at the end. She appears to me to be very determined to follow through on Ben's plan.

I totally agree...and what about the face she makes when she finds out where Ethan is burrued?

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Re: So now we're supposed to feel sory for Juliet...YUCK
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2007, 08:13:45 PM »
Ben said she had to stay until she finished her work.  Maybe she thought that this was her chance with Claire, her control subject.  Of course Ben would be more knowledgeable about leaving the island than the losties.  All they could muster was a little raft.   

Great point about Juliet thinking that Claire is her way off the Island.

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Re: So now we're supposed to feel sory for Juliet...YUCK
« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2007, 08:24:46 PM »
Alot of people think that Juliet is cooperating with Ben so he will let her go...but if you were Juliet, would you believe Ben, considering this is not the first time he has made such a promise?


If I were Juliet, considering eveything, I would be doing anything to get home and off that Island...My family and freedom would be way more important than anythin else (including Ben and Jack)... So while I do understand where Juliet is coming from, she is a threat to the losties because of this...Jack can't get her off the Island, Ben (supposedly) can, so my bet is Juliet sides with Ben.

Also, I posted this somewhere else, but maybe the sub is a ploy to make people think they can leave the Island, maybe it doesn't work. And maybe this is why Ben allowed Locke to blow it up so easily because this was a better plan than anything he had to pull at the last minute. So maybe Ben knew Juliet wasn't going anywhere.

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Re: So now we're supposed to feel sory for Juliet...YUCK
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2007, 08:28:45 PM »
Ben lets Locke blow the submarine up so Jack and Juliet are stuck on the island, and he doesn't even get his hands dirty.

The sub is an illusion; Ben says it is only there because some people arent's ready to make a full "commitment" yet, and it maintains the iillusion of freedom to come and go as they please.