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Old Testament, New Testament
« on: April 05, 2007, 03:28:56 PM »
Some of the things that are going on in LOST really seem to parallel the Bible...in addition, of course, to the "God loves you like he loved Jacob" stuff.

I'm no theologian, but some of the things happening on the Island remind me of the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament.  A lot of people use the archaic rules stated in the Old Testament as an argument that the Bible doesn't apply to the modern world.  They say there's no way you could obey all those rules, and that some of them are just crazy.  Well, the way it has been explained to me, there were a lot of "pagan" religions around at that time, and part of the purpose of the Old Testament was to provide the people with a set of rules to live by (which they did not have at that time) and to bring them together under God and one common religion.  Now, you have your priests and holy people who are enforcing God's laws, and very strictly, believing that strict and total adherence to God's laws is the key to getting into Heaven.  As time goes by, you have interpretations of those laws, most of them seeming to benefit the church.  Well, this is not good.  It's not what God had intended.  So, Jesus is sent down to put things back on the right track.  He is put on Earth, in human form, to show people how they should live.  He's a walking, breathing, example. He tells people that it's not all about obeying the laws to the letter...there's just no way you can do it.  But that's okay, because you can be forgiven, and that's the key point. He says that people need to remember that the one and only way to Heaven is, basically, to be one with him (Jesus), to worship him, and to give yourself over to him.  That's what it's all about.  It's not about obeying a set of rules.  As a matter of fact, Jesus goes on to piss off the clergy by telling them, the most rigid obeyers of the rules, that they actually stand the LEAST chance of getting into Heaven.  Of course, they say "Wait a second....you're saying some begger on the street is not only able to share Heaven with me, but also that he's MORE LIKELY to actually get there than I am?"

Hello, Mr. Crucifix.

Okay, so anyway, the New Testament is more about people actually LIVING life the way they should live it, and being one with God and Jesus Christ, and that's the important thing.  Even Ghandi realized that, and he was not even a Christian!  He was disappointed with Western religions and said:

"I like your Christ, but I dislike your Christians.  Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

He gets right to the point.  You can obey all the rules you like, but the key point is to be one with Christ.  That's what you are meant to do, and that's how you lead a good life....not because you gave the right amount of money to the right church at the right time of the year, or didn't eat a certain food on a certain day for your entire life.  The people in the Old Testament lost site of that.

It seems to me that the Others are Old Testament.  They are simply trying to follow a set of rules that they think will get them where they want to be, but in doing so they have lost touch with the Island.  They judge people according to a set of absolute rules, concentrating on what they have done in the past, and use these rules to decide if they are worthy or not.  At the same time they are hypocrites, because they are at the same time commiting some of these same acts that they condemn others for, under some false veil of righteousness.  Just like the priests in the Old Testament, they have reduced the path to "the Promised Land" to the strict obeyance of a set of rules.  Juliet broke those rules, and she was branded and eventually cast out, even though she was in fact saving an innocent person's life by shooting Pritchett.

As Locke suggested, the reason that Ben has not been healed by Locke is because he has betrayed the Island.  He has moved away from it, foresaken it.  So, even though he is most probably in the most strict concordance with their laws or "rules.' handed down from Jacob, I suppose....he is as the same time getting further and further removed from the Island.  As he gets further removed, he gets less of the Island's health benefits.

I think that either there is another group that is less dogmatic and more in touch with the natural vibe of the Island, and as such probably reaping more of it's benefits, or that the Others will come to that realization on their journey with Locke.  Now, I'm not saying that Locke is a Christ figure, though he seems to be a pretty moral guy and doesn't seem to have done much of anything wrong or really hurt anybody.  He has blown up some stuff, no doubt, but nobody was killed or anything.  He hasn't so much deceived people as just not told them everything because it would get in the way of him completing his mission, whatever that is.    I"m just saying that I think he might be the one that is supposed to come in and show the Others that they have veered off course, and that they need to re-evaluate the way that they are living if they plan to every achieve the goal of enlightenment or happiness or Utopian living or whatever it was they were promised when the were recruited to come to the Island.

 

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Re: Old Testament, New Testament
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2007, 05:33:04 PM »
Are you saying that "Him" is like a messiah type figure, one who may not be established?  Like they are waiting for the second coming of Christ?  And that possibly Locke is that figure?

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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2007, 08:57:01 PM »
Sounds pretty good to me, I love Locke even more after this episode, can't wait to see what comes of it. pity we've gotta wait 3 weeks for it. I always thought he was in tune with the Island somehow and that everything he's done has been for the Island somehow, even though he doesn't quite understand it himself, he has a base understanding of the right path..... well something like that anyway...

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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2007, 11:18:21 PM »
Casino...I like this idea. Him = God,  Locke = Jesus....me likey. And Locke really hasn't done anything horrible to anyone. Stalked a bit, but hey...who hasn't?  :o  :-X

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Re: Old Testament, New Testament
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2007, 11:20:57 PM »
Isn't it shadowing obsessively? Nothing wrong with that at all. :o

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Re: Old Testament, New Testament
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2007, 03:01:48 PM »
Casino...I like this idea. Him = God,  Locke = Jesus....me likey. And Locke really hasn't done anything horrible to anyone. Stalked a bit, but hey...who hasn't?  :o  :-X

huhhhhh? he pushed patchy into the electric fence lol

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Re: Old Testament, New Testament
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2007, 03:25:42 PM »
i dont' think Locke=Jesus type character
he needs something personal
he needs validation of his worth to the island
for his own reasons not for everyone else's

he wouldn't make that ultimate sacrifice to save his people
their needs don't concern him at all

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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2007, 01:03:28 AM »
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Re: Old Testament, New Testament
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2007, 01:29:15 AM »
i dont' think Locke=Jesus type character
he needs something personal
he needs validation of his worth to the island
for his own reasons not for everyone else's

he wouldn't make that ultimate sacrifice to save his people
their needs don't concern him at all
I agree with Zappa... Locke does not seem to be the Jesus type. lol

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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2007, 05:07:35 AM »
very well thought out post and I like how well you were able to compare the events on lost to the old and new testaments... the only thing I question is that Locke doesn't seem to be in this for anyone but himself, now the others may see him as their new savior but Locke just wants to know why he feels so at home on the island, why it healed him, does it love him?  Locke has always looked for love... the island has been the only consistent thing to give him whatever it was that he wanted... he's a strong Rambo on the island... the man of his dreams... unfortunately, I think that makes Locke too selfish and narrow minded to be a true leader, whether spiritual or literally... Locke is a disciple and always will be...

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Re: Old Testament, New Testament
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2007, 11:31:19 AM »
i dont' think Locke=Jesus type character
he needs something personal
he needs validation of his worth to the island
for his own reasons not for everyone else's

he wouldn't make that ultimate sacrifice to save his people
their needs don't concern him at all
I agree with Zappa... Locke does not seem to be the Jesus type. lol

No one can be Jesus..but in some small ways..Locke could be like him. Think Jesus felt powerful all the days of his life here on earth? I believe it says he was tempted in everyway that we are. And I know for a fact that people are tempted with the feeling worthy crap.

Ok, rant over lol

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Re: Old Testament, New Testament
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2007, 09:18:31 AM »
Are you saying that "Him" is like a messiah type figure, one who may not be established?  Like they are waiting for the second coming of Christ?  And that possibly Locke is that figure?

I'm not trying to set Locke up as some kind of Christ figure or anything.  Maybe as a prophet?

It's kind of hard to pin anyone down as filling a certain role, I think, because the "mythology" of the Island seems to be such a huge jumble of all different religions and philosphies.  It reminds me of something I was reading about in a book on Eastern Religions concerning this group that believes that there was more than one Messiah, given that different religions and philosophies around the world basically describe the same Christ-like figure, whether it actually be Christ, or Buddah, or whatever.  They basically stand as a physical representation of how to live your life.  Maybe that's one of the goals of the Island...bringing all the religions together into one unified religion that everyone can understand.  It would sure do a lot for world peace, which is supposed to be one of the Dharma goals, right?

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Re: Old Testament, New Testament
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2007, 01:03:42 PM »
We are forgetting about Locke's anger management issues.  Granted Locke has some traits, such as being in tune with the island, giving it the sacrifice it demanded (read Boone), and his healing that could make him look like a messiah of sorts.  However, Locke is not above doing what is best for him without regard for the consequences to others, letting his anger take control of his emotions, and lying when it proves necessary.  I am not exactly sure that Locke makes a good Jesus analogy.

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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2007, 02:35:05 PM »
Whether or not Locke is worthy of being a Jesus figure is not really the point, though.  I'm not putting him up as the second coming or anything.  Michelle said it best:  he's no Jesus, but maybe Jesus-LIKE in a couple of ways.

What I'm saying is that he seems set to show the Others, or at least some of them, that thought they think they are being true to the Island, they are in fact totally missing the point.  And, like the priests in the old testament, there current course of action my in fact make them the LEAST LIKELY to gain the reward that they seek, whatever that is.

Take Ben for instance:  His big question is, Why hasn't the Island healed me?  Plainly, he expected to be healed, but he wasn't.  I think he is perplexed, because he is one of the "good guys."  He's following all the rules.  Why isn't the Island rewarding him?  The answer being that the rules are not really what's important. 

Now, here's a complicating factor:  I believe Locke is also on his way to making the same mistake that Ben has.  He pretty much judged Kate on the same basis the Others did.  They told him what was in the file...that she killed her father, robbed a bank, is on the run from the law.....and he condemned her for it.  Well, he has no idea of the context of her actions.  He knows WHAT she did, but not WHY she did it, and that makes all the difference.

You can't just make a list and decide who's good and whose bad, or who's worth and unworthy.  That's why the Bible says not to judge people.  We, as individuals, in most cases just don't see enough of what is going on to make a truly informed decision.  There's always something we don't know about.

Right now, I see that as the trap that Locke is falling into. 

 

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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2007, 06:43:19 AM »
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Now, here's a complicating factor:  I believe Locke is also on his way to making the same mistake that Ben has.  He pretty much judged Kate on the same basis the Others did.  They told him what was in the file...that she killed her father, robbed a bank, is on the run from the law.....and he condemned her for it.  Well, he has no idea of the context of her actions.  He knows WHAT she did, but not WHY she did it, and that makes all the difference.

I hadn't thought of that at all, I quite like it :D if he suddenly starts struggling to walk we'll know for sure hehehe