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Re: What with the flahing lights??
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2007, 01:29:55 AM »
I agree with some of the other folks, we encountered the same situation as with Eko and the Smoke Monster. The only difference is this time we saw everything from the Smoke Monster's point of view.
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Re: What with the flahing lights??
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2007, 01:35:45 AM »
Did anyone see pictures in the flashes like with eko?

We see a man kneeling down, who turns out to be the old man that boy Eko shot to save his brother.  There is also a woman, I think she is the one we get to know during the vaccine Eko flashback.   There were some other ones in there too. 

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Re: What with the flahing lights??
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2007, 01:36:51 AM »
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Perhaps the field really was not on and Patchy somehow fooled everyone?

exactly. He must have had fake blood hoses rigged into his ears, and a capsule of soap in his mouth the whole time!  :D

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Re: What with the flahing lights??
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2007, 09:29:40 AM »
I thought the same thing, that the field wasn't on for Patchy and he faked his death.  And then when Juliet put in the code, it turned on the fence for real and its real function was revealed.

Anyways, when I saw the flashing I couldn't help but think the monster was a voyeur or a paparazzi.  Kate and Juliet handcuffed and intimate in a tree.  Photos and details inside!

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Re: What with the flahing lights??
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2007, 10:07:35 AM »
Juliette saw bright flashes...
Eko saw dark flashes of people.

Locke said he saw the heart of the island and it was beautiful. I bet he saw bright flashes too.


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Re: What with the flahing lights??
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2007, 12:27:21 PM »
eko encountered the monster twice, as did Locke. The second time Locke saw it, it tried to pull him down a hole... maybe the first time it sees you it is checking you out. The second time it takes of bidness...

I didnt see Vincent though

I believe that the first encounter with Smokie it scans you too. I doubt that during the second smokey's always on the offensive though. Seems to me that Eko died because Smokie gave him a test and he failed. As for the time Smokie tried to pull Locke down the hole, I doubt it wanted to kill him. Since we've seen what Smokie can do, it could have killed him on the spot. Maybe it was trying to get him underground, to see what's down there.

razzle-dazzle:
If Locke had seen the same bright flashes as Juliette, why did she end up so scared of them, contrarily to Locke getting so excited about it?
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Re: What with the flahing lights??
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2007, 12:31:11 PM »
Now we get some insight into the behavior of smokie.  It doesn't like the sonic fence (or is it microwave?).  It can't see at night.  It recognizes Julia (rapid departure).  It can't get too high off the ground.  It can assume many shapes quickly.  It may separate and recombine.  It can produce light.  It makes certain sounds varying with its function.

Smokie is a bunch of nanites.

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Re: What with the flahing lights??
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2007, 12:36:44 PM »
There's another thread about Smokey and the fence.  Big theory is that Smokey is somehow connected to the ground or can only float a short distance above it.  That's why it can't go over the fence.

I think the flashing lights were to illuminate Juliette and Kate to scan them, take a picture of them and match it up to a database, or to perform a retinal scan for which it needed to dialate their pupils.  I think it flashed multiple times because, as someone said, Kate covered her eyes and it couldn't get a read on her.  We have not seen the flashes before because all the other "attacks" took place during the day.

The question I have is this:  Kate covered her eyes, Juliet didn't. It would be a natural reaction to cover your eyes.  Why didn't Juliet?  Did she know she was being scanned and that it was necessary so that Smokey would know that she was protected/off limits/authorized to be in that area?  Or, was she just entranced because she's never been that close to the thing before?  She stared it down again at the fence when she didn't really have to.  If it was me, I would have been a lot further away from that fence by the time Smokey hit it, even if I DID know the fence was going to stop it.  Again, natural reaction.

So, does Juliet know more about Smokey than she is letting on?  Personally I think it's a Dharma thing and, like many other Dharma things, the Others are familiar with it but don't really know what it's purpose was and how to control it.

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Re: What with the flahing lights??
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2007, 12:42:38 PM »
I generally agree with you, casino.

This was the only time smokey contacts someone while it's dark, that's why it needed the flashes (very cool flashes though :D).

Yes, Kate covered her eyes while Juliet didn't and that's odd. I don't think she knew she had to have them open though. Maybe she was just shocked?

I certainly agree that Juliette knows more about smokey than she says, and that the Others don't control smokey.

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Re: What with the flahing lights??
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2007, 12:43:24 PM »
Now we get some insight into the behavior of smokie.  It doesn't like the sonic fence (or is it microwave?).  It can't see at night.  It recognizes Julia (rapid departure).  It can't get too high off the ground.  It can assume many shapes quickly.  It may separate and recombine.  It can produce light.  It makes certain sounds varying with its function.

Smokie is a bunch of nanites.

Puff,

Trust them or don't trust them...it's your call...but the writers said Smokey wasn't nanites.  I think it's mechanical at the core, travels underground, and surrounded by some kind of natural material that it attracts when it's above ground.

Also, people keep saying that Smokey reads people's minds.  Proof of this, I guess, is the faces that appeared to Eko.

They have dossiers on everybody, so why does Smokey have to read his mind?  They know everything about them already, apparently.  My theory is that it saw Eko, identified him from a retinal scan or a picture, and instead of seeing the results of some sort of Vulcan mind-meld we were seeing images pulled up from his file.  Sort of like "Subject identified as Mr. Eko.  Related subjects:  Old lady, brother, etc.").  Or, maybe it WAS testing him, but instead of reading his mind it was pulling up images it already knew about and testing his reaction.  Yet another option:  It needed to keep his attention for some reason, so it did something that would keep him looking at it long enough for it to perform some function, rather than running away (which is what you would normally do).

I'm just not sure that Smokey reads minds.

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Re: What with the flahing lights??
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2007, 12:52:39 PM »
Or maybe it was just plucking images from his memory.  The Others can have all of the files and information about the losties in the world, but it doesn't necessarily mean they have pictures of all of these people or have recorded their mannerisms and stuff.  For example, they know Kate killed her stepdad.  But what does he look like?  How did he talk?  What habits did he have?  What phrases did he use?  Maybe smokey can extract that.  I don't know if it means it's controlled by the others or was made by dharma or is simply some phenomenon running rampant.

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Re: What with the flahing lights??
« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2007, 01:38:12 PM »
I belive that smokie took the images from Eko's mind so that he could turn himself into someone from Eko's past.  Maybe a test, but I think it just wanted to take a form that Eko would trust and recognize.

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Re: What with the flahing lights??
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2007, 02:36:40 PM »
The thing that lends credence to what Maxor and Dirty Maggie have to say is the incident with Hurley's Dave.  That seems to be a case where they would have to know Hurley's thoughts.

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Re: What with the flahing lights??
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2007, 11:01:28 AM »
Smokey was doing the same thing to Juliet that he did to Eko for the first time. Meaning, it must have been the first time Juliet ever encountered Smokey.

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Re: What with the flahing lights??
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2007, 12:41:32 PM »
Smokey was doing the same thing to Juliet that he did to Eko for the first time. Meaning, it must have been the first time Juliet ever encountered Smokey.

exactly

the difference being that when it approached Juliet and tried scanning her mind it recognized her as a HOSTILE
that's when it freaked out and started flashing

when it came after them a second time it seemed to hone in on Juliet

maybe that's why Ben threw her out in the jungle???