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Re: Smokie and the Fence/Does Smokey = Cerberus
« Reply #75 on: April 09, 2007, 01:45:05 PM »
The fence must have been built to protect against smoky so why don't the others understand how it works? Juliet admits to kate that ok she knows about smoky but not what it is, or why the fence repells it? Do I buy this? not really. If DHARMA created Smoky and the Fence, were the others its unwilling victims. was the smoky one of the reasons behind the "purge"? is that why they take over the barracks?
Are the others in control of smoky now but weren't previously? OR Was smoky already there and DHARMA just built the fence and vents to harness it? I think knowing who controls smoky is vital to understanding its nature.

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« Reply #76 on: April 09, 2007, 03:29:36 PM »
You hit on my theory to the origins of smokey....  The Dharma people built their installations below ground or within a perimeter fence that repelled the monsta.  Now, either smokey was there and they were able to hide whilst hundreds of workers spent years building the installations or Dharma was the creator of smokey.... Ridding the island of a bunch of Others while they had free reign to conduct their mad scientist projects.

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« Reply #77 on: April 09, 2007, 07:36:52 PM »
Maybe the Island was the playground of Magnus Hanso and his strange early days scientists, then once they had 'created the monster' by accident or design they realised they needed to control it. They invented the Dharma Institute to cover up and expand on previous experiments using Valenzetti as a cover story - only to find they were able to alter some of the numbers in the equation and hence save the world.... (Oh and Ben and John were twins separated at birth by crazed scientist hippy Mom & Pop DeGroot - the hamster lovers)

Just a bonkers theory.. but I can fit all kinds of 'wierdisms' into it.. Lotta love it though - bring it on!

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Re: Smokie and the Fence/Does Smokey = Cerberus
« Reply #78 on: April 10, 2007, 12:51:56 AM »
I don't think Smoky was created by accident but i do think its malfunctioning.

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Re: Smokie and the Fence/Does Smokey = Cerberus
« Reply #79 on: April 10, 2007, 11:13:02 AM »
I agree that "Smokey" must be tethered to the ground somehow to keep it from being able to navigate the pylons.  I did see something on Youtube about the sound that has never dawned on me before.  That "chatter" type noise it makes is identical to the adding machine noise that Locke had in his office cubicle.  There's a clip of Locke talking in code on the phone at the office and someone asking him about TPS reports.  It is the same exact noise.

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« Reply #80 on: April 10, 2007, 11:25:48 AM »
Ya, that was mentioned in a podcast by the producers.  The other clues have been Rose stating that she has heard that noise before and Walt wondering if the thing coming towards the beach on the first night is Vincent.

Now, Rose was a sick lady and had to undergo a few MRI's.  If you've had one, you know what they sound like....someone beating metal next to your head. 

The noon whistle sound....the sound of a shipyard (Brooklyn)

The sound of metal scraping....MRI

The animal sounds....Vincent

Cerberus is the spirit of the dead on the island.

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Re: Smokie and the Fence/Does Smokey = Cerberus
« Reply #81 on: April 10, 2007, 11:40:29 AM »
I agree that "Smokey" must be tethered to the ground somehow to keep it from being able to navigate the pylons.  I did see something on Youtube about the sound that has never dawned on me before.  That "chatter" type noise it makes is identical to the adding machine noise that Locke had in his office cubicle.  There's a clip of Locke talking in code on the phone at the office and someone asking him about TPS reports.  It is the same exact noise.

In an interview on the official UK podcast in season 2 Carlton Cuse said that noise was the receipt printer of a NYC cab

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« Reply #82 on: April 10, 2007, 08:52:39 PM »
I agree that "Smokey" must be tethered to the ground somehow to keep it from being able to navigate the pylons.  I did see something on Youtube about the sound that has never dawned on me before.  That "chatter" type noise it makes is identical to the adding machine noise that Locke had in his office cubicle.  There's a clip of Locke talking in code on the phone at the office and someone asking him about TPS reports.  It is the same exact noise.

In an interview on the official UK podcast in season 2 Carlton Cuse said that noise was the receipt printer of a NYC cab

YES! Thank you!  That has been driving me crazy.  I live in the burbs and never take cabs, but I spent a month in China this year and we took cabs everywhere, and that's where I heard it!

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Re: Smokie and the Fence/Does Smokey = Cerberus
« Reply #83 on: April 10, 2007, 09:15:29 PM »
whenever the monster drags something, the sound is of a manual boat winch.  you can hear the ratcheting perfectly.  is the monster mechanical....

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« Reply #84 on: April 10, 2007, 10:39:21 PM »
I'm adding this as it was in theories and speculation.  It's a double post but since so many are new I'll bring it here.

Ok, in Episode 3 x 5 Jon and Eko have a conversation near when Eko is looking in the plane for his brother.

Locke asks him what he saw.  Eko says: "What did you see Jon?"  Jon replies: "I saw a white light and it was beautiful."   Eko replies: "That is not what I saw."

In the latest episode "left behind"  Juliet and Kate are hiding in a tree from the smoke monster and we see a white flash of light hit Juliet.

So, we see it also take images from Eko when him and Charlie are in the Jungle.

I'm guessing that the Cerebus 3 headed guardian must have something to do with Heaven & Hell.  I don't know....Maybe Eko was going to die from the Polar Bear wounds regardless but in order to enter the gates of Heaven or Hell smokie is there.

Smokie is St. Peter?  No, but I'm starting to jump on the bandwagon of more than one.

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Re: Smokie and the Fence/Does Smokey = Cerberus
« Reply #85 on: April 11, 2007, 06:35:21 AM »
I think it's all a dream by several people at once.

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Re: Smokie and the Fence/Does Smokey = Cerberus
« Reply #86 on: April 11, 2007, 09:31:19 AM »
whenever the monster drags something, the sound is of a manual boat winch.  you can hear the ratcheting perfectly.  is the monster mechanical....

It seems to be pulling sounds that different people are familiar with.  Maybe it's something it got from Desmond?  He's spent a good deal of time on boats.

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« Reply #87 on: April 16, 2007, 11:02:24 AM »
The hatch itself had a very strong magnetic field....as shown when the numbers were not pushed.  It is likely that the Dharma people were farting around with electromagnetism and, as shown in the video found in the hatch, an accident occurred.  Likely, these guys were responsible for the creation of smoky and, when the numbers are not pushed, he goes on a rampage.  Now there have been killings by the monster circumventing two important events....first, when desmond didn't push the numbers on time and, second, when locke failed to.  is the monster normally not a killer?  time will tell.

to control a magnetic cloud in the air is difficult, in water impossible, and underground unthinkable.  ideally, the field occurs in a vacuum and is therefore insolated from any source of conductive materials that will rapidly dissipate it. 

sorry, but smokey will not be seen in the hatches, nor will he be active in the rain.

the monster can't even travel over the beach.

smokey needs to have magnetite beneath it and a dry atmosphere in which to operate.  the science fits with what we've seen in past episodes.

I like this theory.  It seems very sound.  It explains why Smokey seems to burst up from the ground, then become surrounded by the "smoke" once it is above ground.  It explains why it has not been active on the beach as well.

Nice one, Puff.