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Re: Can Juliet Be Trusted?
« Reply #75 on: April 07, 2007, 10:56:45 PM »
Damn all this is confusing, I keep swinging one way then back again, I'm not sure if she can be trusted, I mean, she definately took Kate out into the jungle, whether that was alone or not I don't know, I think she really is afraid of smokey, I don't think she's really ever run into it in its own territory before, but I think she's seen it in otherville plenty of times (judging by the non flinching thing, I flinched) held back by the special fence that seems like it should be a breeze for it to get past. The main thing that makes it all seem fishy to me isn't even the whole lying to Kate thing and saying all that stuff about wanted her to think they were in it together so she wouldn't get left behind, it's doing all of that in the first place, surely it would've been more believable to wake up after being gassed making tea (like she said), Jack would've stood up for her regardless I reckon, I mean he did say it 'She's was left behind too' or whatever, why even bother taking Kate out there at all, that just doesn't make sense...... at all.

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Re: Can Juliet Be Trusted?
« Reply #76 on: April 08, 2007, 05:15:58 AM »
I really want to say yes but at the same time she has a darkside that we havnt seen so i dont know for now

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Re: Can Juliet Be Trusted?
« Reply #77 on: April 08, 2007, 07:33:10 AM »
I think Juliet can't be trusted by the Others, & possibly is about to switch sides. Firstly, she was marked, & now she was left behind by them. Ben's games might turn back on himself. Also, this episode reminded us of Kate being harassed (abused?) by her father, & I think we'll learn that Juliet's history of dislocated shoulders also is due to domestic violence, & this will bring Kate & Juliet to some sort of friendship - a difficult friendship because of Jack. Poor Kate - drawn into another love triangle...

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Re: Can Juliet Be Trusted?
« Reply #78 on: April 09, 2007, 10:27:17 AM »
some things we know about juliet

* she was a sweetheart who meant no harm prior to coming to the island

* we know she and ben weren't getting along great at the time of the crash

* we know she wanted off the island (for a while)

* we know she has a good heart (deep down) she saved kate and sawyer

* we know she was BRANDED and CAST AWAY by the others


add that up and i say

she is not up to something, she is not a "plant", she means no harm to our losties, she obviously went to great lengths to win over kate and gain trust

can she be trusted?? i dont know, i live by this "DTA" - dont trust anyone

You pretty much summed up what I think.  I think anybody who wants to stay on the Island can't be trusted because they have something to protect, and anybody who wants off the Island (like Juliet) is desperate and therefore can't be trusted.

But, like you said, I don't think she is "up to something" per se.  I don't think she intentionally means harm to the Losties or is spying for the Others.  I just think that living on the Island gives you a survival instinct of sorts, so you can't completely trust any of them, no matter who they are.

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Re: Can Juliet Be Trusted?
« Reply #79 on: April 09, 2007, 12:20:37 PM »
I don't think that is Juliet in that screen cap.  I think that girl is younger and you can see she has shorter hair.  I think that is one of the teenage students we see when Kate, John and Sayid see Jack throwing the football with Tom.

Are you looking at the girl in the background or the the one in the foreground?  Obviously the one in the background (coming out of the house) has short hair but the one standing at the table has on the same blue outfull J has been wearing and it looks like she has long hair to me.  I think it is just pulled back like she normally wears it and part of the length is hidden under her pack.

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Re: Can Juliet Be Trusted?
« Reply #80 on: April 09, 2007, 12:44:55 PM »
I've said it before and I'll say it again...I DO NOT TRUST JULIET ONE BIT.

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Re: Can Juliet Be Trusted?
« Reply #81 on: April 09, 2007, 12:48:41 PM »
What doesn't make sense is that Kate and Sawyer would never have gotten away if it weren't for Juliet.  Sawyer was about to get shot by Danny or whatever his name is, and Juliet blasted away.  Sawyer should at least be grateful, but appears to be the one most antagonistic.

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Re: Can Juliet Be Trusted?
« Reply #82 on: April 09, 2007, 12:53:11 PM »
What doesn't make sense is that Kate and Sawyer would never have gotten away if it weren't for Juliet.  Sawyer was about to get shot by Danny or whatever his name is, and Juliet blasted away.  Sawyer should at least be grateful, but appears to be the one most antagonistic.

But maybe this was a way for Kate and Sawyer to be lured into trusting Juliet too...Maybe Ben didn't care about Danny...Maybe having the losties trust Juliet was more important than what Danny could do for them.

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Re: Can Juliet Be Trusted?
« Reply #83 on: April 10, 2007, 04:06:28 PM »
They never wanted Kate or Sawyer really though - only to manipulate Jack and that job was done.

I do think it is Juliette in the picture though, she definitely can't be trusted.

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Re: Can Juliet Be Trusted?
« Reply #84 on: April 10, 2007, 06:30:44 PM »
Remember the speed at which she took out Danny?  "Hey Danny."  BAM BAM BAM
No diplomacy whatsoever.  Did Ben order her to actually pull the trigger?  Would she have been so keen on killing him even though she knew death was the punishment?

I don't think that was Juliette in the picture, either.  I don't think she had that knife at her side anymore, it was in her pocket.  Not sure how many blond girls with blue shirts they have on the island, but I bet there is more than one.  Good screen cap though, it is hard to say for sure either way.

Juliette is going to have a hard time trusting anyone now.  She was (as we think and will find out tomorrow) ripped away from her home and her family by the Others.  I don't think she ever had her whole heart into the island, she was always waiting for that chance to leave.  She never fully trusted the other's, or her husband, not anyone, really.  Just her sister.  Now she has the choice of the Losties or the Others.  She has more common ground with the losties: both are being used by the others and stuck on the island.  Plus, they seem to be, like someone said, deep down good people.  After years of betrayal and manipulation, will she even be able to give her trust away?  All the measures she is taking, like handcuffing herself to Kate, just go to show how apprehensive she is about being with other people.  Her ideas about forming relationships are a bit skewed, but can we really blame her?

Given all that we know about her, I say, no, we can't trust her.  She will have to prove herself a great deal before that happens.

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Re: Can Juliet Be Trusted?
« Reply #85 on: April 10, 2007, 06:56:28 PM »
Ya, Ben wanted Danny and his wife dead.  You can't be married or in a relationship on the island.  That is why Danny was asking Kate if she loved Sawyer.  Have you noticed that all of the Others are plutonic?

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Re: Can Juliet Be Trusted?
« Reply #86 on: April 10, 2007, 07:10:26 PM »
Can't be sure about that.  True, we don't see them making out on the front lawn, or anything, but the screen cap in this thread shows a man and a woman leaving the same house.  Doesn't mean anything, really.  It would be hard to deny all these people the uh... finer things in life... so maybe they made them sterile and thats why they needed Juliette.
Sorry about getting off topic.

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Re: Can Juliet Be Trusted?
« Reply #87 on: April 10, 2007, 08:37:12 PM »
Jack maybe got a larger dose of the gas since he was in an enclosed space. The girls were dragged outdoors at some point. It is feasible he would be out longer than Kate and Juliet.Thoughts?


I'm with you here.  He stayed where the gas was concentrated, while Kate was in the open air.

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Re: Can Juliet Be Trusted?
« Reply #88 on: April 10, 2007, 10:15:50 PM »
Was there any evidence that Juliet was gassed?

Presuming that she was, it is likely that she awoke before Kate and moved her out into the jungle.  There she put handcuffs on the two knowing that the linchpin in her becoming accepted by the survivors would be Kate.  She thus manufactured the bonding experience, the escape from the monster, and threw out that little "broke jack's heart" zinger just at the right moment.  

Juliet appears to be bonding to Jack, but not so fast.  If she were trying to separate Kate and Jack then she would have hidden why Jack told Kate to leave and not come back (doinking Sawyer).  Instead of maintaining that wedge, she abates it.  

So, Juliet gets to go back with the losties and she is facillitating Kate and Jack possibly reconciling.  Why?

Well, if one assumes that Juliet is acting according to some noble plan, then her actions would be to lay the groundwork for a scenario where Jack must forgive, stop being paranoid, overcome pain.....Additionally, Kate would get a second chance at netting a doctor without killing him.

If one assumes that Juliet is an evil little vixen, then her Ben derived plan would be to infiltrate the losties, gain Kate's favor/jack's trust, and survive Sajid's little endeavors.   In this picture, Juliet is only concerned about making Ben happy, getting off of the island, or both.  If she is following this route, the "tell" will be that Juliet is asking as many questions as she answers.



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Re: Can Juliet Be Trusted?
« Reply #89 on: April 11, 2007, 09:21:31 AM »
Good post, Puff.  Those are two good scenarios.

The whole timeline of "the gassing" is off.  Juliet seems to recover way too fast, Jack seems to recover way too slow, and we don't know what happened with Sayid.  Was he awake when Juliet found him, in the back yard, out in the fresh air like Kate and Juliet, or was he still knocked out?  Sayid's "search" of the camp, which seems to be comprised of multiple building spread a fair distance apart, seems to take about 3 minutes.  It just doesn't seem to fit very well, but is it significant or was it just the best way for the writers to tell the story?  In short, does it really make any difference?

I'm tempted to believe that Juliet was gassed, but she realized what was happening and found a way to keep it from knocking her out.  Once again, though, I don't know if it actually matters.