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Offline dcnole

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Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
« on: March 22, 2007, 12:38:49 AM »
Stick with me here.  We've seen Kate see the dead agent walking around.  We've seen Jack see Jack's dad. We've seen Rose see Bernard when Bernard was nowhere near the front section beach.  We saw Eko see Yemi.  All of these things are questionable, none have been seen by anyone else.  You may or may not be able to add Shannon seeing Walt to that list.  In any event, the Eko episode gave us some reason to believe that the image he saw of Yemi was actually the Black Smoke Monster in another form.  Now John is seeing his father.  But you'll notice that Ben and the recruiter guy didn't interact with Locke's father. They simply opened the door and allowed Locke to walk in and see what he saw.  Is it possible that it's actually the Smoke Monster? And that every time we've seen someone wandering around who shouldnt have been on the island, it was actually the same smoke monster merely taking different forms? Or even simply reflecting what the person gazing upon it wanted to see?

It is certainly possible that the Others simply sent someone to go get Locke's dad and bring him back to the island for the purposes of using his presence to con Locke in one way or another.  But I'm wondering if something more mystical is at play.

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Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2007, 12:46:06 AM »
Lockes dad was actually there, and everyone else we see are images that the smoke monster turn into, but thats a whole other story

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Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2007, 12:54:20 AM »
I find it hard to speculate on anything anymore.  It still isn't definite that the smoke monster was all of those other images, or just some or just Yemi or even none.  I'm assuming that's really his dad since Ben told Tom to get him and Ben anticipated Locke's reaction and involvement in seeing his dad there.  Ben knew it was something he had to show Locke.  Or you could argue Ben really didn't see the dad there but could calculate that Locke would see him there and that it's some sort of mystery of the island that you see what you want to see.  Or maybe it is the smoke monster.  I suspect it's not really the dad and it's just a manifestation of the island and it will tie into explaining why everyone else has been seeing things from their past.

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Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2007, 12:56:39 AM »
this is one i have to highly disagree on,  When he said get the man from Talahassee that is exactly what he meant go get him and tie him up and make it look like he has been captured there.

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Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2007, 01:04:38 AM »
Also, how did John know his father was in the flower shop? That one flower shop in the whole town?

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Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2007, 02:00:44 AM »
I don't think it was really Locke's dad.  I have no other explanation, but that is my initial hope impression.

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Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2007, 02:39:09 AM »
Do you want to see what came out of the box?  Not who, but what.
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Ben started setting this up while Locke and Alex were in the closet.  He's planning something for Locke.  Season 2: "I came here for you John."
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Ben really does need Locke, and can use daddy to get what he wants.  Daddy may have been on the island for a long time.  Ben couldn't say "Locke's dad" or "Sawyer", so he says "The Man From Tallahassee".
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No doubt that Locke's dad turns out to be Sawyer.  Just how do they make him young enough for the flashback (maybe there is no flashback)?

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Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2007, 03:27:46 AM »
They don't need to show him young in a flashback.  All they need is to show someone referring to him as Sawyer or seeing him use the name Sawyer.  Or maybe the new Sawyer will recognize the original.

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Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2007, 03:29:29 AM »
man oh man!!!! i have to wait for the next episode or whenever they go back to showing lockes dad because it could be just an image of what lockes wants to see thats why before ben opens the door he said to locke something about his dad so he can picture him and then they opend the door or it really could be lockes dad or ben well just explain to locke that u could get anything from the island man im just amazed by this episode

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Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2007, 03:38:54 AM »
plus it took a second or so before he had that "wtf" expression.. maybe he formed right in front of him within that room..

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Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2007, 03:43:58 AM »
that is so true i agree it did form right in front of him because if he was already there when he opened the door he would have been like omg in an instint but it took him awhile to react

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Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2007, 08:09:16 AM »
I can't remember, but:
- When did Kate see the dead agent walking around?
- When did Rose see Bernard walking around?

Also, Ben and Richard didn't have time to interact or not interact with Locke's father. As well as, if Locke's father is just an instantly formed vision, why is he appearing as if tied up, gagged, apparently beaten...and scared out of his freakin' mind? lol...every other "apparition" appeared perfectly healthy, normal, calm, and capable of movement and walking around. Locke's father, however, would be the only "vision" that appears restrained and fearful.

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Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2007, 09:38:09 AM »
They don't need to show him young in a flashback.  All they need is to show someone referring to him as Sawyer or seeing him use the name Sawyer.  Or maybe the new Sawyer will recognize the original.

They could just "Forrest Gump" in some footage of him as Fireman DeSoto.

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Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2007, 10:35:25 AM »
Interesting idea but I'm not going to make my decision on this yet
It was interesting that Ben said "lets go look at what the Box had in it this time" (or something like that)
But I agree if he is just smokey then why is he all tied up?

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Re: Is that really Locke's dad we saw? (sort of a wacky theory)
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2007, 11:07:07 AM »
Whenever I hear all of these theories about the smoke monster taking the shape of whatever the person is thinking, it reminds me of the boggart from the Harry Potter books.  I don't know, just a thought.

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Boggart